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re: Amid explosive demand, America is running out of power

Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:56 am to
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78086 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:56 am to
Lol reporters are morons
Posted by the4thgen
Dallas, tx
Member since Sep 2010
1779 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:59 am to
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Roll out the nuclear power plants




The most logical solution which is unfortunately 10-12 years out.
Posted by WavinWilly
Wavin Away in Sharlo
Member since Oct 2010
8782 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:59 am to
America failing to lead the charge on nuclear energy is such a travesty.
Posted by the4thgen
Dallas, tx
Member since Sep 2010
1779 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:03 am to
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An industry insiderr told me Bitcoin Miners are a problem.


The explosion of AI and the data centers needed to power AI is the real root of the problem. Bitcoin mining is certainly part of it but falls under this general data center category. The amount of power needed to continue to develop data centers at the current rate simply does not currently exist.
Posted by UnitedFruitCompany
Bay Area
Member since Nov 2018
3376 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:11 am to
Its such a triple whammy facing our energy providers (and they arent helping).

For starters, peak load is going down at a lot of providers. Confusing, right? Where it gets hard is how to meet that peak load. Thats where you get crap like ESG, retiring nukes and coal, and greedy former politicians involved.

See, some of the former pols have their hands in these solar companies. Then, low and behold, they are suddenly talking about how important solar is to include in an IRP. Furthermore, ESG pressure from investors doubles down and demands to know how you are "diversifying" your portfolio.

Nukes are getting old too. Some you are lucky to refurb and keep up and running while not going broke, others, like Diablo in Cali, are just the devil and need to be taken off because a politician says so.

All of a sudden, what was once a 5% max renewables IRP is now closer to 20-30%. With less and less power coming from reliable areas like nuke, coal, and gas.

Less power needed, but its "harder" to reliably generate it so you get this mess we are going to live through in the next 20 years.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31101 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:11 am to
i will never understand why we have this disdain over the cleanest and best source of energy on the planet

all of our electrical needs should be from nuclear within next 25 years imo.

then focus on beautiful clean natural gas to as many homes as possible

then drill like a MOFO and let the market decide on what type of vehicle is best, IC or Electric
Posted by EST
Investigating
Member since Oct 2003
17832 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:15 am to
I blame the environmentalist wackos of the past 30 years - and dumbass politicians who caved to their demands. Anyone with a normal, functioning brain could have seen this coming a decade ago.
Posted by SidetrackSilvera
Member since Nov 2012
1921 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:18 am to
If only we’d seen this coming.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95605 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:21 am to
Enron won’t have to ratfrick Cali power for the next big energy cost explosion to happen.

We have gone decades without any real extensive addition of power plants while closing out nuclear, coal, and others which are aging out or aren’t seen as clean enough.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95605 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:23 am to
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all of our electrical needs should be from nuclear within next 25 years imo.


Should.

France had an insane percentage of their power from nuclear since at least the 60s.


Problem is that NIMBYism / legal barriers will prevent ANY new plants. I’m sure you can’t even replace existing reactors aging out at any plants these days due to barriers.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260563 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:26 am to
Service gaps are showing up everywhere. We are on the cracking point unless we can automate more.
Posted by sqerty
AP
Member since May 2022
4985 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:27 am to
Sometimes I think rolling blackouts might not be a bad thing.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17170 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:28 am to
Energy companies like oil and gas should tell the US Government “we’re not going to play anymore, we’re out and not changing from our core function” leave DC hanging in the wind on environmentalism’s.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95605 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:30 am to
Any large corporation is at the mercy of politicians.

Doubly so when they can sic the EPA and other groups on you at whim.



The Senate is trying to have hearings on all the mergers and acquisitions within the oil and gas industry right now. Ostensibly for “fairness” reasons but more likely because it shows huge oil companies are buying up every company possible for the Permian Basin area to get all of that fracked oil and gas.
Posted by Hobie101
Member since May 2012
473 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:49 am to
Easy fix.
Just turn the light off when you leave the room.
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
19032 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:51 am to
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An industry insiderr told me Bitcoin Miners are a problem


Thats what you get when you shut down coal plants in lieu of solar and wind.

They are buying up farm land all over the Arkansas delta and putting solar panels up. I mean thousands and thousands of acres.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31131 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:52 am to
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So....nuclear?


Nuclear solves the clean energy problem too well, that's why they can't allow it.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27523 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:56 am to
We always have a problem if you listen to those people. The power grid has some problems, but it always has some problems, however, induction stoves ain't part of it.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27523 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:58 am to
Do you work for the WaPo because I'm not paying for that article.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7714 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:28 am to
Time to start mining coal again.
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