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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:18 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:18 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Does to me
Why exactly?
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:18 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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For the record, I have not mentioned or implied race as an issue in this incident.
But you do have a post history filled race related items.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:18 pm to slackster
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Should they have stood back and waited for him to pull his gun first?
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Yeah, maybe they should have
You are actually suggesting that cops should wait and make it a quick draw competition?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:19 pm to bigrob385series
quote:FIFY they effed up, plain and simple. Not intentional but...
did you not hear the cop scream "frick" after he looked up and there was no gun in the suspects hand
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:19 pm to weedGOKU666
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fricked up but tru. If I was a black person, I'd be the most compliant person in the world with cops. It's wrong that they, specifically, have to handle officers with "kid gloves", but it's a game of survival at this point
That's complete BS. White people who don't comply with white cops and are armed/reach for their weapons get shot too. It's just not the national media headline. This isn't about race.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:20 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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You are actually suggesting that cops should wait and make it a quick draw competition?
He's been saying that for a while now. Going from taser to tackling the guy was "needlessly" escalating the situation, but pulling out their weapons wouldn't have been doing so.
That's about as arse-backwards as it gets.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:20 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Seems like a toxicology report may shed some more light on this sad event.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:21 pm to UptownnMike
Already posted.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:21 pm to UptownnMike
Hadn't seen the new video yet
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:21 pm to BluegrassBelle
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What exactly should they have done differently? He was still struggling even after he was shot the first time. So what exactly could've been done to peacefully remove him from the situation?
I understand your point, but what they did failed as well. My contention is that taking him to the ground took it to a level that may or may not have been avoided by keeping things upright and at a distance. He wasn't a thread to the police or the public at that very point in the situation. The gun was in his pocket and he was standing there.
They may have followed protocol to the letter, and if so, so be it. I honestly don't know, but it isn't a decision I would make.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:21 pm to crkelly91
If there was in fact a gun on the decedent, then I'd seriously doubt the DOJ could get a conviction.
An indictment is another story.
With that said, everyone involved in the shooting, as well as their families, are in for a very rough ride.
That kid crying at the press conference is heart breaking.
An indictment is another story.
With that said, everyone involved in the shooting, as well as their families, are in for a very rough ride.
That kid crying at the press conference is heart breaking.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:22 pm to tduecen
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WWL-TV ?@WWLTV
Chants of "Hands up, Dont shoot", outside of the Triple S store in #BatonRouge #AltonSterling
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:22 pm to RB10
quote:That's fine, I get it, you keep saying that.
No one has said it's official policy. It is, however, the perception of the public, which is what I'm saying.
And I'm saying that is 100% irrelevant to me, and I'd like to know what their actual policy or code states. I can only imagine their safety comes before a perp's safety. it certainly should.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:23 pm to BluegrassBelle
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So they should've waited for the situation to escalate to the point that it's very likely one of the officers would've been shot (and possibly killed)?
They knew he was armed. If he goes into his pocket you shoot him. Seems a little more straightforward than going to the ground where any and all actions are life-threatening once the gun is visible.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:24 pm to c on z
It's cool I was just putting it for those who didn't know
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:24 pm to rt3
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Chants of "Hands up, Dont shoot"
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:24 pm to shel311
2nd video paints a decent picture.
Cops are trying to subdue him. One of em obviously keys on the gun in his right pocket. The other unholstered his weapon and gives him a final warning to stop moving or else essentially. He didn't stop, pow pow. The End.
Cops are trying to subdue him. One of em obviously keys on the gun in his right pocket. The other unholstered his weapon and gives him a final warning to stop moving or else essentially. He didn't stop, pow pow. The End.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:25 pm to terd ferguson
This stuff gets so out of hand.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:26 pm to slackster
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My contention is that taking him to the ground took it to a level that may or may not have been avoided by keeping things upright and at a distance. He wasn't a thread to the police or the public at that very point in the situation. The gun was in his pocket and he was standing there.
Are you speaking of after they tased him and he still didn't comply with what they asked of him? I will say from a standpoint of working in a psychological facility and using Safe Crisis Management (seclusion and restraint), that it's much easier to disarm someone when you have them restrained then them just standing there and you hoping they hand it over peacefully. They were going to have to put their hands on him at some point to get him into cuffs and into a car either way.
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hey may have followed protocol to the letter, and if so, so be it. I honestly don't know, but it isn't a decision I would make.
Then what would you have done? I ask this because I see continual criticism of what they did but nobody can come up with a viable alternative to what they would've done in that same situation.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 4:27 pm
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