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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:04 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:04 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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screaming "get on the ground" when he was lying on the ground bleeding out? Yeah, he was on his way up.
The camera turns away until they are out of the frame and doesn't go back until the 2nd shots are fired. You cannot say, with any certainty, that he wasn't getting up.
In fact, bullet wounds to his back were found. How do you explain them? In the 5 seconds the camera was away did the cop lift a 300 lb. man into a sitting position, with one arm, and shoot him with the other?
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:04 pm to RB10
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ETA: His most recent post is still insinuating that the cops are lying
Wrong again big guy. My point is that during the heat of the moment and rushed assessment people may say something that is inconsistent with what is really happening.
Do I think Police thought he was going for his gun? I absolutely think that at least one of them thought that. Do I think one or both of them are lying? Absolutely not.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:05 pm to slackster
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It would be sad if them saying "he has a gun" is what caused them to shoot, when it was intended as an observation and nothing else.
People are going to down vote but you're right. That goes back to my concerns about tackling him to the ground in the first place when you know or reasonably assume he is armed. When you're in close combat like that shite is magnified exponentially and there is absolutely no room for error. I think the officers are 100% justified in the shooting at that point, but I'm not 100% sure the situation should have come to that.
There definitely isn't going to be enough to convict the officers with murder here, the 2nd video shows a struggle, though it is a shame that the camera hadn't panned away when it did for a clearer picture of the incident. Hopefully the surveillance camera from the store gives another angle and better picture of what happened.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:05 pm to SabiDojo
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And now the BLM is the focal point
I wonder if they will protest the two black on black murders that happened in the Greater BR area this week too?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:05 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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screaming "get on the ground" when he was lying on the ground bleeding out? Yeah, he was on his way up.
At around the 13 second mark the first shots are fired and the camera pans away. At 15 or 16 seconds you hear "get on the ground" and 2 more shots. At 18 seconds the camera is back and Sterling is on his back bleeding.
There's a good 5 or 6 seconds where you don't see what's going on and right in the middle of that is when he yells "get on the ground"
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:05 pm to RB10
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In fact, bullet wounds to his back were found. How do you explain them? In
He rolled.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:06 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Do I think Police thought he was going for his gun? I absolutely think that at least one of them thought that. Do I think one or both of them are lying? Absolutely not.
Then why the frick are you arguing in this thread?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:06 pm to SabiDojo
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I saw an attorney post something to the effect of "Even if you are being wrongfully arrested or detained, please don't resist. Just comply."
i literally give speeches to high school kids that says this exactly
if the cops want to arrest you, they will. there is NOTHING gained by not accepting that fact and only bad things can happen if you get emotional and make irrational decisions
now i hate the police state, but i live in reality and not my desired fantasy
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:06 pm to slackster
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I'm not 100% sure the situation should have come to that.
Should they have stood back and waited for him to pull his gun first?
They were trying to take him down and arrest him.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:06 pm to Puck82
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Even with all this new information the shite show is still on.
Doesn't matter. They'll change the narrative to justify the outrage and protests and riots.
Mike brown went from:
Cops are murdering us!
To
Cops are using excessive force for no reason
To
The cops shouldn't even be up here--they are here profiling us.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:06 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Wrong again big guy. My point is that during the heat of the moment and rushed assessment people may say something that is inconsistent with what is really happening.
Do I think Police thought he was going for his gun? I absolutely think that at least one of them thought that. Do I think one or both of them are lying? Absolutely not.
I'm sorry you got caught in an outright lie. Maybe next time you should be more careful when trolling the board.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:07 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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screaming "get on the ground" when he was lying on the ground bleeding out? Yeah, he was on his way up.
Go watch the video again. This is all off screen. He says get on the ground. You then hear more shots and when the camera pans around you see Alton making impact with the ground. Sorry it doesn't fit what you want but that is where the shots to the back come from.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:07 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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screaming "get on the ground" when he was lying on the ground bleeding out? Yeah, he was on his way up.
Obviously you know nothing about how people act/react in high stress situations. Add to this your assumptions as to the location and severity of said wound(s) and we have the typical mindset of the people in the crowd/mob.
Sounds familiar, can we say Michael Brown.
Lets burn this motherfuker down.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:07 pm to tylercsbn9
quote:You're putting your hope in the wrong people. They are professional protestors. They get paid to go around and protest things, rile up the locals, and teach everyone how to cause the most chaos. You can see the same protestors in many of the protests.
Hopefully people don't go full Mike Brown retard.
There was a pro the day of the Brown shooting, and he was coaching people on what to and what to tell people that they saw. He's all over the media
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:08 pm to SG_Geaux
That's my thing: we need to have a national education about when it is allowed for cops to shoot to kill.
I am not saying I know what the standard is, but I damn sure know that the legal standard is way more forgivable than a lot of people seem to realize.
I am not saying I know what the standard is, but I damn sure know that the legal standard is way more forgivable than a lot of people seem to realize.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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now i hate the police state, but i live in reality and not my desired fantasy
Bingo.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:09 pm to slackster
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I'm not 100% sure the situation should have come to that.
Yeah, seems like they could have found a better way to de-escalate the situation. The tazers failed, why didn't they pull out their guns to encourage him to get on the ground? Wrestling him to the ground seems like a really poor choice.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:09 pm to TigerAlumni2010
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There definitely isn't going to be enough to convict the officers with murder here, the 2nd video shows a struggle, though it is a shame that the camera hadn't panned away when it did for a clearer picture of the incident. Hopefully the surveillance camera from the store gives another angle and better picture of what happened.
Yeah I'm not sure how the law will work if it comes out that some level of incompetence from the officers took it to the level of a struggle on the ground, but once it got there, I don't see another choice on their part. I say this with the understanding that compliance alleviates the entire situation.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Wrong again big guy. My point is that during the heat of the moment and rushed assessment people may say something that is inconsistent with what is really happening.
Do I think Police thought he was going for his gun? I absolutely think that at least one of them thought that. Do I think one or both of them are lying? Absolutely not.
So I'm curious as to what exactly you would've done differently?
They tried to use less fatal interventions without success. They asked him to stand down, they tased him (how many times have we seen the argument of "They should've just tased him!"), and took him to the ground to try to further restrain him.
What exactly should they have done differently? He was still struggling even after he was shot the first time. So what exactly could've been done to peacefully remove him from the situation?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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In the new video. Then after blowing a hole in the guys chest, the cop yells "Get on the ground"- as the victim is lying on the ground smoked in blood. Good god. And some people are hell bent on believing he was going for the gun just because the cop yelled he was? Obviously the cop yelled at least one thing that was inconsistent with what was really happening. With that being said, the second video is still not clear on whether he was reaching in his locker for the gun.
Both videos look away when the shots are fired. Can you say for sure that he wasn't trying to sit up? No?
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