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re: A bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for minors in Louisiana has died

Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:31 pm to
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20868 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:31 pm to
How y'all like this "red" state in the deep south?

Run by a Democrat, can't ban trans surgery for children, but all the typical problems of a southern shite hole plus more. Why do we live here?
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
6562 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:34 pm to
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can't ban trans surgery for children

It's already illegal

the only exception is for chicks getting their tits removed (which isn't exactly irreversible, although fake tits are less fun)

LINK

II. Eligibility Criteria, meets ALL
A. Age = 18 years,

1. Exception: in adolescent female to male patients < 18 years, chest surgery may be
considered after one year of testosterone treatment;
B. Capacity to make a fully informed decision and to consent for treatment;
C. If significant medical or mental health concerns present, they must be reasonably well
controlled;
D. Evidence the member/enrollee has lived at least 12 continuous months in a gender
role that is congruent with their gender identity;
CLINICAL POLICY
Gender-Affirming Surgery
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E. Documentation that member/enrollee has completed 12 continuous months of
cross-sex hormone therapy of the desired gender, unless medically contraindicated (not
required for mastectomy in female to male except for those < 18 years);
F. A written referral letter from a qualified mental health practitioner (master’s degree or
equivalent in a clinical behavioral science field granted by an accredited institution, with
documented credentials from a relevant licensing board or equivalent) containing all of the
following:
F. A written referral letter from a qualified mental health practitioner containing all of the
following:
1. Member/enrollee general identifying characteristics;
2. Results of psychosocial assessment, including any diagnoses;
3. Duration of referring health professional’s relationship with the
member/enrollee, including type of evaluation and therapy or counseling to
date;
4. An explanation that criteria for surgery have been met, and a brief description of
clinical rationale for supporting the member/enrollee’s request for surgery;
5. A statement that informed consent has been obtained from the
member/enrollee;
6. A statement that the mental health professional is willing and available for coordination
of care.
7. The degree to which the member/enrollee has followed the standards of care to
date and the likelihood of future compliance
G. If If the request is for genital-affirming surgery, a second referral letter from another
qualified mental health professional (master’s degree or equivalent in a clinical behavioral
science field granted by an accredited institution, with documented credentials from a
relevant licensing board or equivalent), who has independently assessed the
member/enrollee is required.the request is for genital-affirming surgery, a second referral
letter from a consulting psychologist or psychiatrist is required.

This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 7:39 pm
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
6440 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:36 pm to
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Nothing is more useless in Louisiana that the Republican Party.


Most are nothing more than Blue Dog Democrats, and not the good dogs that get to sleep in the house.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5600 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:39 pm to
I think I’m upset by this


But I’m real high so not sure
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
9459 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:52 pm to
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But if both parents, the child, and doctors are for this sterilization treatment, I don't think the state or federal government should be in the way.


You’re a fricking moron. Like dangerously stupid.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 7:53 pm
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
9459 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:55 pm to
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alajones


Wtf is wrong with you people
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28361 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:19 pm to
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the drugs just delay the onset of puberty until the person is 18 and can legally decide if they want to transition. I do agree they probably aren't great to put children on but all the hyperbole on mutilating children is misinformed. Louisiana does not allow genital transition surgeries of any kind on minors under 18.

Funny because there’s medical record of puberty blocker drugs given young resulting in severely under developed penis and when the person attempted transition surgery they were forced to use other tissue (bc not enough penis tissue) which led to sepsis and death.
Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
Member since Aug 2018
687 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:40 pm to
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the drugs just delay the onset of puberty until the person is 18


Oh yeah, that won't have any long lasting side effects.

It's child abuse.
Posted by calcotron
Member since Nov 2007
8265 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:26 pm to
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the drugs just delay the onset of puberty until the person is 18 and can legally decide if they want to transition. I do agree they probably aren't great to put children on but all the hyperbole on mutilating children is misinformed. Louisiana does not allow genital transition surgeries of any kind on minors under 18.


It is a myth that the blockers don't have negative long term effects, harmlessness isn't proven AT ALL with long term studies. In fact there is data on boys specifically being stuck with stunted growth for life, it does not pick up like normal. Other bodily features stay childlike vs. maturing and never change. Your 18-20 year old body is not going to act like a 13-14 year old body just because you unnaturally stopped some chemical processes and want to pretend they will start later. It is permanent damage, not this harmless "delay" that trans activists tout.
Posted by heymama
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2022
274 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:47 pm to
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wolves in sheep’s clothing


Give me a break. Are you talking about white men in power positions like religious leaders, teachers, coaches, and Uncle Touchy?

I know of a lot deviant and sexually perverse people in that group. I don’t know of any Drag Queens or LGBT…LMNOP people who have molested a someone I know.

quote:

teach our kids about evil sexual perversions and deviancy


Yes, sexually deviant people have always existed (see above) so this is a conversation parents should definitely have with their kids.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51614 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:51 pm to
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Surgeries are not allowed on minors. This bill is about hormone blockers which aren't irreversible.



Wrong. GnRHa inhibits production of endogenous sex hormones and thus negatively impacts the formation of bone mass by delaying the increase in bone mass during the pubertal growth spurt. See: "decreased bone density".

While getting off the blockers allows the process to continue, it doesn't "make up" for the growth missed. Thus: irreversible.
Posted by heymama
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2022
274 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:53 pm to
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That could be as simple as a client says they want to commit suicide and in your crisis evaluation you use their preferred pronoun to de-escalate. At that point you're just running off mental healthcare providers who don't want to deal with that potential issue.


Agree and this is my exact concern. Government overreach, resulting in it being difficult for people to do their job and actually help people (over regulation and bs has negatively impacted teachers, medical professionals, mental health providers)

So people are like F it - it’s too risky, cumbersome or a pain in the arse to do that job - I’m out!
Posted by heymama
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2022
274 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:10 pm to
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If both parents consent, medical professionals consent, and the child consents, why is the government telling parents what to do? Where does that line end?


Good question. If this passes, could a doctor perform surgery on a 14 year old boy who has grown abnormally large boobs and is tired of being picked on and called a girl?
That’s gender affirming care right there.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64579 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:14 pm to
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gender-affirming care


Makes about as much sense as giving liposuction to someone suffering from anorexia.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30225 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:15 pm to
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Just like at 18 years old, i don't think the parents should get a say any longer.
IF parents shouldn’t have a say over their 18 year old child’s decision, the who the hells going to pay for the surgeries?
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78630 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:15 pm to
“ Gender affirming care “ lol.

Puberty blockers, physical torture , barbaric elective amputations , actual castration sure sounds affirming. For CHILDREN, by the way. The Left has lost their fricking mind. I’m not sure where Dr Mengele ends and they begin at this point. Sick frickers.

Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64579 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:17 pm to
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Words matter. If both parents consent, medical professionals consent, and the child consents, why is the government telling parents what to do? Where does that line end?


That’s the problem. A child cannot consent because they lack the mental ability to comprehend the consequences of their decision.

Frankly, it’s disgusting you even have to have this explained to unless you yourself are in fact a child.
Posted by heymama
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2022
274 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:31 pm to
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Conecticut is already trying to pass a bill to make 'MAP' (Minor Attracted Person, aka Pedophile) a protected class.


quote:

I'm also sure a US state pushing to protect pedophiles in just gibberish as well.


Ok, I ignored it the first time, but since you’ve mentioned it again, I have to ask…what are you talking about?
Can you provide a link?
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
2322 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:54 pm to
What a total disgrace this Mills guy is. The good people of Saint Martin parish deserve better.
Posted by subotic
Member since Dec 2012
2357 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 11:09 pm to
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What laws do you want the government to pass which restrict your ability to parent?


You cannot mutilate your child. That's pretty much it. Other than that, parent away!

You seem to think that if the government can prevent doctors from doing dumb shite like gender reassignment on kids that also means they have total control over your kids. That's asinine.
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