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re: A bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for minors in Louisiana has died
Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:35 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:35 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:So a pregnant woman has two hearts, two brains, four arms, etc.? Science concludes human life and origin begins at conception. It is a living human inside another living human. While there is a symbiotic relationship between the two with the child being dependent on the mother, this isn't just relegated to prior to birth, as the new human is reliant on it's mother for life well beyond birth. If you want to make your argument that the mother's life is more important than a babies, then make that argument. Don't devalue what s universally accepted as a human being less than that to make yourself feel better.
the fetus is part of a woman's body
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:41 pm to Roy Curado
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gender-affirming care
Dumb arse fricking libs playing word games again. Mental health crisis is a more accurate description.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:41 pm to Roy Curado
Fred Mills name needs to be on everyone's radar the next time that idiot is up for reelection
Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:45 pm to alajones
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I really feel like this is a decision between the parents and their kids. Laws like this seem to me to be government overreach.
I think all this trans stuff isn’t healthy. I think it’s a bad idea that minors get life altering surgery. They are too young to make that decision. But in America, people have the right to make dumbass decisions.
Minors also shouldn’t be covering themselves in tats, two hundred pounds overweight, fricking up their earlobes, etc. But it’s between them and their parents.
I think this is low hanging fruit for Republicans. They need to address other issues.
Normally I would agree, but in this instance I don't because it's increasingly not a decision between parents and their kids, it's becoming more and more a decision based on manipulation by external parties (sometimes government employes, ie: teachers). This isn't a tat that can be removed or a bad hair coloring that will grow out, these surgeries irrevocably mutilate the genitals. Seriously, look them up if you haven't already.
The issue is that this is the attempt to normalize a mental condition. It's like being okay with parents encouraging their anorexic child to get liposuction or their giving their children diet pills called "Stop Being A Fatass". In both instance most would consider that to be child abuse.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:46 pm to chalmetteowl
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the fetus is part of a woman's body
Wrong. The fetus is a developing body, the womb is simply an incubator for it. We know this because the fetus will have its own set of genes as opposed to having the exact same as the parent.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:52 pm to meansonny
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You can't make a point about parental rights... So you strawman future worst case scenarios. Got it.
I have no idea what you’re talking about here.
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Either a parent has rights or they don't. I've not once mentioned anything about the safety of the child. I do argue that no one cares about the safety of a child more than a parent. And if you want to support a government that has the right to tell a parent how they raise their child, then I can never agree with you on that. Ever.
I’m fine with it being a parental consent issue.
What I’m saying is that the leftists are not fine with it being a parental consent issue because their goal is no obstructions to child tran surgery. So, as with other related matters, you’ll see measures taken to remove the need for parental consent from the process.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 5:01 pm to Havoc
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What I’m saying is that the leftists are not fine with it being a parental consent issue because their goal is no obstructions to child tran surgery. So, as with other related matters, you’ll see measures taken to remove the need for parental consent from the process
That won't pass legislation and it won't pass the Supreme Court.
I know the presidents' whisperer says they are all of our kids. But parental rights still have constitutional ground in this country. That isn't changing. Nor should it.
Which is why I'm against laws that overrule the consent of the parent.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 5:18 pm to BeepNode
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Republicans are hilariously weak.
It's mostly Democrats that run as Republicans.
It's not like these are people who are conservative but are just too weak.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 5:52 pm to Roy Curado
A similar bill passed in Tennessee
Posted on 5/24/23 at 6:20 pm to meansonny
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Either a parent has rights or they don't.
You keep saying this....what do you mean? There should be no limits to "parental rights?" You seem to be implying that parents can do what they will with their kid, like they are a doll.
We are stewards of our children until they reach maturity, telling them they can be another gender is not good stewardship. Pushing them towards gender reassignment SHOULD be criminal in a civilized society.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 6:48 pm to udtiger
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i hope the people from New Iberia are proud of his dumb arse.
His fellow state GOP members would say something to him but they don’t really give a shite.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 6:50 pm to subotic
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Either a parent has rights or they don't.
You keep saying this....what do you mean? There should be no limits to "parental rights?" You seem to be implying that parents can do what they will with their kid, like they are a doll.
We are stewards of our children until they reach maturity, telling them they can be another gender is not good stewardship. Pushing them towards gender reassignment SHOULD be criminal in a civilized society.
I'm shocked you are struggling with this.
Either a parent has a say in how they raise their child or they don't (i.e. the government can intervene).
If the government is permitted to intervene into a scenario where the parents, doctors, and child are all on the same page, then what is the limiting principle against the government? When can they not intervene?
What laws do you want the government to pass which restrict your ability to parent?
This is a democracy. Not everyone shares your exact viewpoints.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 6:55 pm to Roy Curado
Well. The good news is if they do away with their genitals, they can’t procreate. Win! Referring to adults. Whomever mutilates children and those who support it, will be in hell one day.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:03 pm to Bard
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This isn't a tat that can be removed or a bad hair coloring that will grow out, these surgeries irrevocably mutilate the genitals.
Surgeries are not allowed on minors. This bill is about hormone blockers which aren't irreversible.
Everyone should agree there should not be any irreversible surgeries done on minors. You are an example of why this is such an effective political tool right now, people don't understand what they are arguing for or against.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:03 pm to Roy Curado
Hospital systems have a lot of power in LA. Follow the $$$.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:06 pm to Corinthians420
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Surgeries are not allowed on minors. This bill is about hormone blockers which aren't irreversible.
Everyone should agree there should not be any irreversible surgeries done on minors. You are an example of why this is such an effective political tool right now, people don't understand what they are arguing for or against.
I'm not a doctor.
But aren't the drugs the same used to sterilize people?
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:17 pm to meansonny
quote:the drugs just delay the onset of puberty until the person is 18 and can legally decide if they want to transition. I do agree they probably aren't great to put children on but all the hyperbole on mutilating children is misinformed. Louisiana does not allow genital transition surgeries of any kind on minors under 18.
But aren't the drugs the same used to sterilize people?
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:25 pm to Corinthians420
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the drugs just delay the onset of puberty until the person is 18 and can legally decide if they want to transition. I do agree they probably aren't great to put children on but all the hyperbole on mutilating children is misinformed. Louisiana does not allow genital transition surgeries of any kind on minors under 18.
I don't think that's right.
How do the drugs know that the individual is under 18? Lol
I don't know what the drugs are. But I'm smart enough to know that the drugs effect 17 year olds the same way that they effect 18 year olds.
What do the drugs do? I've read that they are the same drugs used to sterilize people (i.e. chemical castration).
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:27 pm to Roy Curado
Republicans are afraid of the alphabet krewe we are screwed
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:27 pm to alajones
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I really feel like this is a decision between the parents and their kids. Laws like this seem to me to be government overreach.
I think all this trans stuff isn’t healthy. I think it’s a bad idea that minors get life altering surgery. They are too young to make that decision. But in America, people have the right to make dumbass decisions.
Minors also shouldn’t be covering themselves in tats, two hundred pounds overweight, fricking up their earlobes, etc. But it’s between them and their parents.
I think this is low hanging fruit for Republicans. They need to address other issues.
God damn what a weak horrible opinion
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