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re: 55 year old lifeguard charged with murder after shooting 2 teens in Chicago
Posted on 6/29/25 at 10:15 pm to Riverside
Posted on 6/29/25 at 10:15 pm to Riverside
This guy is going to jail. He is not getting out of this. We just don’t know how long yet. No way in Chicago is this guy walking. I’m not discussing law just reality. Anyone wants to ban bet let’s go.
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Posted on 6/29/25 at 10:57 pm to OKBoomerSooner
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the opposite position the media takes
How many more examples do you need of the media going against the people’s interest. You can’t believe anything they say. It’s pretty ridiculous the amount of lies they have spewed.
This post was edited on 6/29/25 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 6/29/25 at 11:07 pm to L.A.
The teens look completely caught off guard and not in offense / preparing for defense -mode. Was the dude paranoid? I don't see anything that says threat to me. The girl walking up from the parking lot to meet her friends...just happened to converge where he's working on his bike...unless audio says otherwise but the girl's walk is very slow and casual...I don't see anything alarming leading up to him shooting.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 11:27 pm to Riverside
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The lifeguard claims he reasonably believed the teens were trying to steal his bike and attack him. The law allows you to use deadly force to protect yourself and your property if it’s reasonable under the circumstances.
You’re conflating the two halves of this requirement. It goes like this:
(1) Did the lifeguard believe he was at risk of death or great bodily harm? This is a subjective component, and yes, that’s clearly met here.
(2) Was that belief reasonable? Not did HE think it was reasonable. But “objectively” was it reasonable? (The law uses “objectively” in a funny way. Ultimately it’ll either be the judge’s or jury’s belief that decides this.) The point is, it’s not enough for the guy himself to say it was reasonable. This is where we bring in all these other indicators, like the apparent lack of a weapon on any of the kids, the apparent lack of a violent act by them, and so on.
And sure, in his defense, any prior altercation possibly can operate to make it reasonable here. All that we’re trying to say is that whatever prior altercation might have happened, it’s going to have to pull a ton of weight, because basically every detail from the video cuts sharply against this being a reasonable use of deadly force.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 11:29 pm to Townedrunkard
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How many more examples do you need of the media going against the people’s interest. You can’t believe anything they say. It’s pretty ridiculous the amount of lies they have spewed.
That’s great.
Reasonable, intelligent adults who think for themselves don’t just automatically do the opposite of what someone says. Mistrusting them for having a poor track record is a reasonable default stance. You still have to look at the evidence that’s being presented and think it through. Sometimes someone tells you a one-sided story because the story really is one-sided.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 5:26 am to fr33manator
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Agreed. He just reacted and committed immediately.
Honestly with some people if they are pulling the piece they are shooting the piece.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 5:40 am to OKBoomerSooner
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the apparent lack of a violent act by them
Posted on 6/30/25 at 6:42 am to Sofaking2
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This guy is going to jail. He is not getting out of this. We just don’t know how long yet. No way in Chicago is this guy walking. I’m not discussing law just reality.
If I were him, I would get out on bail and bail to Brazil. Rest of my life in prison?
Posted on 6/30/25 at 6:52 am to Mo Jeaux
This shooting is the biggest win for nawlinstiger9 in years
Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:17 am to NIH
Not even 7 AM when you posted this
Might be time to reevaluate things, bub. No one should need attention this badly, but here ya go
Might be time to reevaluate things, bub. No one should need attention this badly, but here ya go
Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:24 am to NIH
SFP finally has his datapoint
Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:38 am to Sun God
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SFP finally has his datapoint
Posted on 6/30/25 at 12:19 pm to SpotCheckBilly
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Based on that video alone, I would say he has problems.
Especially shooting the second one who was no threat to him at that moment.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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HOLY shite
I thought the same, but I looked it up and Chicago is indeed more dangerous today. 18 homicides per 100,000 in Chicago 2024 and only about a dozen er 100,000 in NYC in the 80’s. I was surprised by this.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 12:45 pm to RohanGonzales
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piece of shite defending thugs of a certain hue - of course!
He’s not defending them. He’s arguing that this is not clearly a case of self-defense. And based on what we know so far, he’s correct.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 12:47 pm to Penrod
In 1980, NYC's murder rate was 25.8/100k
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LINK
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A total of 1,821 homicides were recorded by the New York City Police Department in 1980, 69 more than in 1979. The rate of homicides per 100,000 residents in 1980 was 25.8, placing New York City seventh, comparing the 10 largest cities in the Nation.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 12:55 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Is that early for you?
Posted on 6/30/25 at 12:57 pm to TigerBalsagna
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I didnt see the attack.
Like so many "good guys w/a gun" it was all in his cowardly arse head.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 12:58 pm to L.A.
Is the second kid that got shot holding a gun? He appears to be flanking and holding something.
Looks like he took a moving head shot too. Damn.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:00 pm to NIH
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Is that early for you?
To think and talk about men on the internet that I don’t know?
There’s never a time when I do that, so I don’t know. I see you name dropped me again in another thread I wasn’t even in an hour later, so maybe those are prime dickriding hours.
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