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re: 55 year old lifeguard charged with murder after shooting 2 teens in Chicago
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:02 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:02 pm to SallysHuman
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They converged on him in a way I'd find alarming were it me.
Same, something looked fishy there. (pardon me while I distill people down to nicknames)
Initially it looks like Shirt-guy (turquoise shirt) is moving to talk to the girl, but then Bike-guy just gets up and starts shooting, but look closer.
Shirt-guy and the guy on the phone behind him (Phone-guy) are moving together (along with a 3rd person who just kept walking straight, but ended up getting shot anyway). As they approach Bike-guy's location, they both turn inward toward Bike-guy. Phone-guy is actually reaching out towards Bike-guy and/or the bike with his right hand while Shirt-guy makes a very awkward step towards Bike-guy. In the first viewing, he moved so close to Bike-guy so quickly that I thought Bike-guy guy had stood up to move out of Shirt-guy's way but still ended up getting shouldered out of the way.
So just as Phone-guy and Shirt-guy are doing those moves toward Bike-guy, the girl inexplicably stops and looks down.
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:03 pm to Dr RC
Yeah I don’t think people realize what they’re arguing for if they want this to be justified
If this is self defense then you’re essentially free and clear to shoot damn near anyone that approaches you
If this is self defense then you’re essentially free and clear to shoot damn near anyone that approaches you
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:08 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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this is self defense then you’re essentially free and clear to shoot damn near anyone that approaches you
Not true if as the story is saying this had been boiling over for hours + he had already run away from this same group before and had a struggle with the bike.
That makes them not just “random approaching”, that makes them targeting him and who knows what they were saying as they converged on him that made him draw the weapon.
Hes a 55 year old dude who purposely chose to be a lifeguard in a very black portion of Chicago…not sure why he would just decide in that day and moment was the time to show a random “racist” outburst. But his issue is living a city with very narrow self defense laws, a jury that will absolutely not be of his peers, and a lack of evidence (that we know of)
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:10 pm to Eighteen
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Hes a 55 year old dude who purposely chose to be a lifeguard in a very black portion of Chicago…not sure why he would just decide in that day and moment was the time to show a random “racist” outburst
Why do y'all keep creating this as the only other alternative?
Him panicking is much more likely (and reasonable).
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Him panicking is much more likely (and reasonable).
It’s relevant because it removes the white guy who ended up in a a “wrong area” and panicked narrative and the white dude in a white area that panicked because a group of black people were there and “not where they were supposed to be” narrative
he was reasonably used to working in being around groups of young black people (curious if he ever had any other altercations or issues prior), so something about this group and this interaction made him resort to this extreme measure … what was it? did he think they were reaching for a gun? did they say “we’re going [do something] to you”?
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:23 pm to L.A.
I side with team lifeguard. We all know those midnight doctors were gonna try and operate on him bc that is be what they be do. We all know what they were gonna be do, so y'all need to be quit denying it
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:26 pm to Eighteen
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it removes the white guy who ended up in a a “wrong area” and panicked narrative
Who was promoting this narrative, specifically?
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and the white dude in a white area that panicked because a group of black people were there and “not where they were supposed to be” narrative
Who was promoting this narrative, specifically?
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he was reasonably used to working in being around groups of young black people (curious if he ever had any other altercations or issues prior), so something about this group and this interaction made him resort to this extreme measure … what was it? did he think they were reaching for a gun? did they say “we’re going [do something] to you”?
It appears he....panicked.
And this is the type of thing where you can't, and the penalties for panicking how he did are severe.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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A total of 1,821 homicides were recorded by the New York City Police Department in 1980, 69 more than in 1979. The rate of homicides per 100,000 residents in 1980 was 25.8, placing New York City seventh, comparing the 10 largest cities in the Nation.
I read that, too. I see what happened. I had the numbers for New York State, which is about the same numerator with a larger denominator.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:30 pm to Penrod
What I think is being lost is that second guy he shoots isn’t even close and seems to be walking away from him when he starts shooting.
Idk how you justify that one.
the Blue shirt guy gets pretty close,
you don’t know what was said. Could definitely be more there, but the second guy he shoots…
Idk how you justify that one.
the Blue shirt guy gets pretty close,
you don’t know what was said. Could definitely be more there, but the second guy he shoots…
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:32 pm to SammyTiger
Based off of just this video, the guy is cooked.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:32 pm to Eighteen
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what was it? did he think they were reaching for a gun? did they say “we’re going [do something] to you”?
He should say they called him the n-word. That seems to be a get out of jail free card.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:33 pm to Penrod
Before I posted I double-checked to make sure I only had NYC
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
never mind
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:35 pm to SammyTiger
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What I think is being lost is that second guy he shoots isn’t even close and seems to be walking away from him when he starts shooting.
Idk how you justify that one.
Oh yeah.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:35 pm to SUB
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Isn't he just referring to Trayvon Martin?
No
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Hes a 55 year old dude who purposely chose to be a lifeguard in a very black portion of Chicago…not sure why he would just decide in that day and moment was the time to show a random “racist” outburst. But his issue is living a city with very narrow self defense laws, a jury that will absolutely not be of his peers, and a lack of evidence (that we know of)
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:47 pm to AUFANATL
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Is the second kid that got shot holding a gun? He appears to be flanking and holding something.
See this is where the prosecutor effed up IMO. DA's office stated that one of the baws reached out to grab Leto's bike.
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Marjay walked past the Leto along the sidewalk, while Victim 3, still on the grassy area, reached toward Leto's bike, prosecutors said. At that point, Leto stood up and aimed a gun at Marjay, who was turning away from Leto at the time, prosecutors said.
That will open up all kinds of theories (and defense). Should be an interesting case nonetheless.
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 6/30/25 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Who was promoting this narrative, specifically?
No one is promoting it, I’m just saying him “panicking” like you’re saying doesn’t make much sense because he was used to being and working in inner city Chicago.
Panicking would make more sense as a narrative for a white person to accidentally be in a black area or a a group of black teens showing up in a normally white area. Just being around black teens shouldn’t have panicked him, that’s all
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 6/30/25 at 2:05 pm to idlewatcher
He’s got more of a self defense case than the kid that stabbed another kid at the track meet.
It’s a suspicious situation but not a hot lead situation unless there is more data out there.
It’s a suspicious situation but not a hot lead situation unless there is more data out there.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 2:13 pm to Eighteen
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No one is promoting it,
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it removes the white guy who ended up in a a “wrong area” and panicked narrative
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I’m just saying him “panicking” like you’re saying doesn’t make much sense because he was used to being and working in inner city Chicago.
That doesn't mean he is eliminated from panicking
I mean he shot a 100% innocent kid he has no defense for doing so.
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