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re: 2/3 of teachers surveyed in Texas considering going peace out
Posted on 2/13/22 at 9:35 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 2/13/22 at 9:35 am to LSUFanHouston
I left the field I was in and got into teaching because I truly love teaching. For the past 6.5 years I have been teaching at a charter school in a failing district (we are not an F school). People ask me all the time "Why do you teach over there?" The money. They pay more than any other school within driving distance. Right now I teach self contained Sped and have 6 students. However,that means I have to provide common core lessons at 6 different levels.From my student who is cognitively a toddler, non verbal, hearing and vision impaired in a wheelchair and needs us to feed and change her to my 4th grader who is cognitively a 1st grader at best, but has to take the regular 4th grade LEAP test. Again, I love what I do but not all the extra BS. Summers off? I am expected to teach Extended School Year (which most Sped students qualify for) for the first 6 weeks of summer. That leaves me with 2 weeks off for vacations, doctors appointments, etc. I have never made a tic tic, nor would I have time to. I teach bell to bell. I fought hard against quarantines, hybrid schedules, virtual learning for my kids. My own son was having problems learning when his 'A' school was virtual and hybrid - it was 10 times worse for Sped students. When my day ends at 3:45, I still have to attend after school meetings, professional development, and then grade, make copies, write detailed annotated lesson plans (at 6 different instructional levels) and prepare for the next day. I knew teaching was a job where you had to work on your off time because my Mom was a teacher and then worked for LDOE. The stupidity of people like John White when he was in charge and all the state started requiring is why I often think of leaving the profession. It's never about money for me. Then, one of my students has a break through, aha moment and I realize this is what I was meant to do. So, I will put up with the BS and keep on for about another 5 years and then retire.
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 10:07 am to 50_Tiger
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The point of the counterargument is that many other industries do all of that and then some without any of the perks.
What other industry has you in a room with 20 kids each day? I challenge you to do it for a day, with the expectation of also doing a day’s worth of work?
I am able to compare amount of work between jobs. There are certainly teachers that suck, and put in minimal effort, but that’s not the norm. That’s true in every field.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 10:19 am to concrete_tiger
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What other industry has you in a room with 20 kids each day? I challenge you to do it for a day, with the expectation of also doing a day’s worth of work?
The kids are your work. If that’s too hard the teacher is in wrong field.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 10:21 am to Jcorye1
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fire the shitty ones
who do you fill those positions with? There are not enough teachers.
Not good teachers, there are not enough people that want to work as a teacher. And its not like the police or EMS shortage, Monday morning you need to have someone in that class with those 30 children.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 10:24 am to concrete_tiger
People who complain about teachers literally have no idea what they have to put up with, and covid stuff has increased their work burden.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 10:24 am to LSUFanHouston
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This is in Texas... where the schools are allegedly good.
@ "allegedly" 
Posted on 2/13/22 at 10:27 am to dallastigers
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The kids are your work. If that’s too hard the teacher is in wrong field.
They didn't know when they decided to be a teacher that there was going to be rooms full of kids involved.
And as always the taxpayers are going to be on the hook despite the fact the US is already near the top in spending per student, with lackluster results.
Governments have their boots on the necks of private business yet it seems some of the unhappiest employees work for the government. This doesn't matter though as there is no accountability in government.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 10:33 am to LSUFanHouston
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This is in Texas... where the schools are allegedly good.
so much ignorance packed into one short statement. quite humorous.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 10:47 am to imjustafatkid
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Right. What they're doing now isn't marketable and isn't worth more than it pays. That's my point.
The only reason it's not marketable is because we as a society have decided it's not worth enough to justify higher pay.
We, as a society, ae going to regret this.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 10:50 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Teaching is by far one of the easiest jobs out there in the right school.
1) There are few "right schools" left
2) Are you volunteering in an elementary school?
3) I think there is a distinction between teaching 2nd grade in a wealthy suburb district and teaching 10th grade in the inner city, no? So "easy" seems to have a lot of attachments to it.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 11:05 am to Sharkboi69
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It’s a lot of “over educated” left thinking women that think everything has to be micromanaged.
As a teacher with 22 years experience this right here is a huge problem in our education system. If administrators had any sense at all they would just let teachers do their job. I teach at an “A” rated school and a few years back we had a new administrator come in and try to change everything we were doing just so she would look important. Most sane people who have said “Damn, this school has been rated as an A for several years. Let me just sit back and see what they are doing right and deal with any problems that may come along.” Not this stupid bitch, she was determined to have her hand in the most minuscule details of every thing going on on campus. After several veteran teachers threatened to leave (one did) the higher ups decided to get rid of her after only one year. Unfortunately they moved her to another school and she has literally had over a third of her staff leave because of her “leadership”. If the superintendent would of had any balls at the time she would be out of education completely.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 11:10 am to go ta hell ole miss
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Public schools will ALWAYS find teachers. Work eight hour days, only 177 days a year with students, retire after twenty years and have less and less accountability. The education will get worse, but teachers are not going to be hard to find.
They’re getting hard to find right now. I was working at one of the best HS in the state until December and they had at least three positions still open because they couldn’t find people qualified for the positions.
Some colleges are also having to temporarily suspend their teaching programs because they can’t get enough people to go into teaching.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 11:14 am to MLU
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It's closer to 2 months and still doesn't balance out to the time they actually work the other 10 months.
I have family that are teachers. They have had a lot of admin work added to their plate since COVID and almost all of it is unnecessary. Writing detailed lesson plans, follow-up documentation, prepping for potential online learning, etc and it's pretty much expected that they remain after school, work weekends, etc to get it done. This is on top of the expectations of the things good teachers do outside of the job description that's wears on people.
Darn. Those poor teachers. I have never heard of a salaried position that requires additional work or prep outside of a 40 hr work week. That is unconscionable.
And don't even get me started on public sector unions. They should be disbanded. Teachers aren't accountable to a corporation, they are ultimately accountable to the taxpayers.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 11:17 am to GreenRockTiger
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That’s just too fricking bad - your salary is paid for by tax payers and if a tax payer wants you to play at a non-UIL sanctioned event - you play Give me a break
So a police offer should have to work security for a private event during their day off and not get paid because they are paid with tax money? Makes total sense.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 11:19 am to concrete_tiger
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What other industry has you in a room with 20 kids each day? I challenge you to do it for a day, with the expectation of also doing a day’s worth of work?
I am able to compare amount of work between jobs. There are certainly teachers that suck, and put in minimal effort, but that’s not the norm. That’s true in every field.
Have you ever heard of a Project Manager or Technical Manager?
Replace 20 kids with 20 Employees.
This post was edited on 2/13/22 at 11:20 am
Posted on 2/13/22 at 11:49 am to concrete_tiger
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Yep. My wife is at school by 7am.
Has no lunch or planning period.
Often has staff meetings after dismissal.
Then has to clean up, do the paperwork, prep for next day.
And…bring the shiat home. I can’t tell you how many times I have woken up at 2am to the smell of the laminator running.
And oh, did I mention she gets to teach 20 kids each day?
It’s the job she signed up for, but it’s not the job it used to be. “Admin” has ruined it.
People that think 3 months off each year is a great benefit should just apply for the job
3 months off in summer (or even 2) is a great benefit not just time off but lowering child care expenses for many, so is also still having 2 weeks off in winter, week for spring break, and whatever other time off they get like for thanksgiving and so on in addition to summers off.
I am not negative towards teachers. I have some in my family. I know many more.
I still just don’t get salaried workers complaining about work out of the building. It’s not out the norm to work 50 hours or more in salary positions at the location and/or including work done at home when “off”. Everybody brings “shiat” home from work. Sometimes that “shiat” is from our own doing, and sometimes it’s to get ahead.
Regardless I have a few teachers on block (from 3 different districts around us) and few more within a few blocks, and they are always home before 5 and sometimes before 4. They got to be home with kids when they got out of school, got off same days as their kids outside of in service days (or a couple of years when spring breaks between area districts didn’t sync), got choice of which schools kids could go to within district they worked, got most of every summer off to not only be with kids but avoid summer child care expenses with younger ones, and I can’t say that about anyone else on the block.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 12:10 pm to FlagLake
This is the case far too many times in all fields. Someone wanting to make a name for themselves trying to reinvent the wheel whenever it may just need a few minor adjustments instead.
As far as teachers go, this is what I have found to be problematic. The public sector of the field is filled with too many folks who are willing to do just enough to get tenure and ride the wave. The field is also not as competitive as it could be due to tenure, certifications, and whatnot required to teach. This has become an issue with many professions due to the boon doggle that is higher education. I looked into teaching because I enjoy training folks, taught in the past, and wanted to give back to younger folks. The time it takes to get into the profession is not worth it as it requires way more than is needed to accomplish the task versus the pay cut I would take to get established.
Many teachers seem to not grasp the concept that they are childcare professionals as well. Their salaries are paid so that we as parents can go to work along with them teaching our children. I will agree that their hands have been overly tied and our society has put way too much of the fault of problematic children being their problem and has fallen short on the realization that the home is where most of the issues stem. Parents are not involved enough nor do they discipline enough when it comes to their children. Private schools find more with less due to their administration having the power to deal with problems and remove them from the school. Now, there is no isolation from problematic students along with no worth while system to reform their behavior.
The pay scale is problematic for sure (not to the extent that they want us all to believe), but much of this is due to their lifelong benefits and retirement that previous members fought for leaving their bargaining power at a low now. Perhaps a true salary printout from the school system could provide teachers better comparison material to see what their friends are getting paid in a true salary while paying for insurance, retirement and whatnot. When this is provided I bet a lot of this "woe is me" would go away. Unfortunately, it would add more fuel to the fire for those without sympathy for the vocation.
Teachers choose the profession, choose the school they work for, then choose to incessantly complain about a contract that they signed for a salary based job that does not pay overtime. My job doesn't give me a massive amount of time off at the most opportunistic times of the year regardless of if its paid or not (heaven forbid teachers stop posting on Facebook and work during summer break to make more money).
There are just over 250 work days in the year for most folks, teachers sign on for around 180. Sorry, but teachers shouldn't get 250 days of salary for 180 days of contracted work. Folks signing on for 250 work days for a salary position do not get overtime either. Fact of the matter is, 40000 for 180 is equivalent to just over 55000 for 250. That is not calculating in the retirement nor the insurance.
As far as teachers go, this is what I have found to be problematic. The public sector of the field is filled with too many folks who are willing to do just enough to get tenure and ride the wave. The field is also not as competitive as it could be due to tenure, certifications, and whatnot required to teach. This has become an issue with many professions due to the boon doggle that is higher education. I looked into teaching because I enjoy training folks, taught in the past, and wanted to give back to younger folks. The time it takes to get into the profession is not worth it as it requires way more than is needed to accomplish the task versus the pay cut I would take to get established.
Many teachers seem to not grasp the concept that they are childcare professionals as well. Their salaries are paid so that we as parents can go to work along with them teaching our children. I will agree that their hands have been overly tied and our society has put way too much of the fault of problematic children being their problem and has fallen short on the realization that the home is where most of the issues stem. Parents are not involved enough nor do they discipline enough when it comes to their children. Private schools find more with less due to their administration having the power to deal with problems and remove them from the school. Now, there is no isolation from problematic students along with no worth while system to reform their behavior.
The pay scale is problematic for sure (not to the extent that they want us all to believe), but much of this is due to their lifelong benefits and retirement that previous members fought for leaving their bargaining power at a low now. Perhaps a true salary printout from the school system could provide teachers better comparison material to see what their friends are getting paid in a true salary while paying for insurance, retirement and whatnot. When this is provided I bet a lot of this "woe is me" would go away. Unfortunately, it would add more fuel to the fire for those without sympathy for the vocation.
Teachers choose the profession, choose the school they work for, then choose to incessantly complain about a contract that they signed for a salary based job that does not pay overtime. My job doesn't give me a massive amount of time off at the most opportunistic times of the year regardless of if its paid or not (heaven forbid teachers stop posting on Facebook and work during summer break to make more money).
There are just over 250 work days in the year for most folks, teachers sign on for around 180. Sorry, but teachers shouldn't get 250 days of salary for 180 days of contracted work. Folks signing on for 250 work days for a salary position do not get overtime either. Fact of the matter is, 40000 for 180 is equivalent to just over 55000 for 250. That is not calculating in the retirement nor the insurance.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 12:36 pm to kywildcatfanone
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People who complain about teachers literally have no idea what they have to put up with, and covid stuff has increased their work burden.
Teachers who make statements like this literally have no idea what salaried people do, how many hours they work, how many months of the year they work, and what they put up with in the real world; or how Covid stuff has increased their work burdens from day 1.
Not all teachers are like this. Even the AFT could only get a response out of 6% of its members and then only 4% of its members responded in a way they could use to support Beta right before early voting started. They should be viewing that only 3800 of 65,000 even bothered to respond as a negative for the union’s position with these 65,000, but instead they ran with the extremely small response rate creating a larger % of those saying they have thought about leaving profession and are attempting to play it as reflective of opinions across the state.
The 0.67% of teachers in Texas that the OP and liberal media are pushing and any others who blindly follow these kind of union leftist tactics probably need to find another profession.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 1:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
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The only reason it's not marketable is because we as a society have decided it's not worth enough to justify higher pay.
The last two years have shown us all that teachers value education least of all. There are still some walking out to protest having to work full time again.
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We, as a society, ae going to regret this.
For sure, but the pay won't be the reason. Teachers are paid fairly, and often make far more than their skills are actually worth.
This post was edited on 2/13/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/13/22 at 1:19 pm to 50_Tiger
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Have you ever heard of a Project Manager or Technical Manager?
I am the head of an entire department that includes all sorts of disciplines. Every one of these people get to sit down and eat lunch at least 99% of the time. None of them have ever had to clean up dookie on a teammate. None has to answer emails from parents of staffers, sit in on IEP meetings, etc etc. some people arrive by 7am, some don’t arrive until 9am.
I have meetings all day, but I can eat. I can make my own schedule. I can leave and run errands if I need to do so. I can answer emails and handle business in blocks set for myself, and frankly I also do it during conference calls. If I am sick or need to miss a day, I don’t have to find a sub and leave plans for them.
I can choose to work on projects late into the night or answer emails and texts at all times, but I make about 4x what my teacher wife makes.
Teaching sucks. I can’t fathom being trapped in a room all day with kids. Many years ago, I considered it so we’d have the same schedule, as local schools needed professional teachers like business and marketing, but I didn’t consider it for long. While elementary kids are rough, I had no desire to be around high school kids at all.
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