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Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:08 pm to supe12sta12z
How does that even work with Milwaukee?
Obviously they would have to send out Middleton, but they need to send out more salary.
Maybe they have a buyer for Lopez?
Obviously they would have to send out Middleton, but they need to send out more salary.
Maybe they have a buyer for Lopez?
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:24 pm to TechTiger
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How does that even work with Milwaukee?
Obviously they would have to send out Middleton, but they need to send out more salary.
Maybe they have a buyer for Lopez?
From my understanding they cannot combine salaries. So, they will have to trade Connaughton first. Supposedly Detroit and Toronto are interested. Then they are below the level to combine players in a trade. They can trade Middelton and Lopez as part of the trade to bring back Beal.
I just saw a breakdown. It is probably going to be a 4 or 5 team deal, with players going all over. I am wondering if we jump in and takes some of the expirings and picks, maybe with Ingram going out?
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:45 pm to brmark70816
quote:Supposedly involves Heat, Suns, Bucks and a 4th team. However, the speculation is that the 4th team is a facilitator to take on salary. That would not be us.
From my understanding they cannot combine salaries. So, they will have to trade Connaughton first. Supposedly Detroit and Toronto are interested. Then they are below the level to combine players in a trade. They can trade Middelton and Lopez as part of the trade to bring back Beal.
I just saw a breakdown. It is probably going to be a 4 or 5 team deal, with players going all over. I am wondering if we jump in and takes some of the expirings and picks, maybe with Ingram going out?
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:59 pm to NOSHAU
Maybe Memphis is interested in Ingram…or Orlando.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 9:15 pm to NOSHAU
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However, the speculation is that the 4th team is a facilitator to take on salary. That would not be us.
Detroit is the obvious suspect. Who else is able to take in salary?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:40 am to PELsu
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They traded three first round picks for one. And all three “could” be better than the one. It’s one hell of a risky trade for them if nothing else.
Agree. The gm shoukd have at least protected himself and did like Griff with a one year deferral option. That way he has a two year window on hiw it can play out.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:51 am to supe12sta12z
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Unless you think Durant and Butler is going to play at a high level at 40+, I think the probability is good.
We thought that about Lebron and our '25 Lakers first that we dont' have anymore b/c our GM is an idiot.
I get what they were trying to do, i just think they overpaid for it. 2 1sts should have been enough for this trade. But I assume for 2 1sts PHX probably said they wanted top 4 protection on their pick, or maybe top 10, and Utah probably said here's another 1st and make it unprotected. Still seems silly to me.
Just b/c you have too many assets doesn't mean you just give them away more easily than you would if you didn't have too many assets. That's how people who win the lottery who were poor before, end up back being poor. And it's how rich people stay rich, by not undervalueing what they have.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:05 am to Townedrunkard
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Agree. The gm shoukd have at least protected himself and did like Griff with a one year deferral option. That way he has a two year window on hiw it can play out.
I don’t think Ainge could have done that, that would mean Utah is possibly including their 2032 pick which is 8 years out and not allowed to be included in trades that far out.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:08 am to teke184
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Detroit is the obvious suspect. Who else is able to take in salary?
Connaughton only makes $9.4M
Wizards have a $12M TPE and are $11M under the tax, so they could take him, but I doubt they would do that.
There are other teams with TPE's and the space under the tax to absorb salary that could get him, but they'd also need to send out salary to another team to stay under the tax and/or make the trade legal.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 11:12 am to Soggymoss
What does his contract look like?
I guess with lively they will be fine but he is a great insurance policy. I guess they need help elsewhere.
I guess with lively they will be fine but he is a great insurance policy. I guess they need help elsewhere.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 12:20 pm to Chalkywhite84
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What does his contract look like? I guess with lively they will be fine but he is a great insurance policy. I guess they need help elsewhere.
Well it was just announced Lively broke his foot and will miss a few months, so they can’t afford to move Gafford now
Posted on 1/22/25 at 12:46 pm to Soggymoss
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so they can’t afford to move Gafford now
At least the Lakers won’t get him now.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 1:31 pm to TechTiger
How does Beal help Milwaukee?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 1:32 pm to ghost2most
Probably “Keep Giannis and Dames happy.” Not sure it helps them on the court.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 1:41 pm to ghost2most
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How does Beal help Milwaukee?
How does replacing an aging always injured Middleton, who when he does play is more like a bench role player with no defense now, with an all-star caliber offensive player in Bradley Beal help them?
Is this a serious question? Are you going to tell me that Bradley Beal sucks b/c his contract is terrible? Seperate the player from the contract. All the Bucks care about right now is winning a championship this year.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 1:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
Beal is a good enough player, but a Dame and Beal defensive backcourt is completely untenable. And the Bucks have to chop multiple players just to make it work and tie themselves up with an expensive roster for years. I refuse to believe that’s the real plan until I actually see it happen.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 2:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
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How does replacing an aging always injured Middleton, who when he does play is more like a bench role player with no defense now, with an all-star caliber offensive player in Bradley Beal help them?
Is this a serious question? Are you going to tell me that Bradley Beal sucks b/c his contract is terrible? Seperate the player from the contract. All the Bucks care about right now is winning a championship this year.
Beal at this point is a poor man's CJ with less shooting. I don't think that backcourt works at all. They should have never traded Jrue.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 2:20 pm to PELsu
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Beal is a good enough player, but a Dame and Beal defensive backcourt is completely untenable. And the Bucks have to chop multiple players just to make it work and tie themselves up with an expensive roster for years. I refuse to believe that’s the real plan until I actually see it happen.
I’m praying the bucks trade for Beal. An aging Dame, Beal and Giannis all making 50+ million is a disaster waiting to happen. That 27 bucks pick might be juicy
Posted on 1/22/25 at 2:32 pm to ghost2most
I don't think it makes them a title winner either, but it 100% makes them a lot better.
Bradley Beal is still a really good basketball player. He's not some great defender, but he's also not CJ bad either.
100% agree. Very stupid move. They should have been looking to replace MIddleton instead of Jrue. Giving Middleton the 3 year extension when his contract was up, then trading Jrue was their downfall, and it doesn't look like they can recover from it.
It's almost a similar situation we are in right now with BI, although BI is a lot more closer to his prime than Middleton was. But if we were to keep BI and give him a massive contract, we are basically saying it's BI/Zion for the forseeable future b/c there won't be much you can do salary wise with them two signed, and you'll start losing talent for nothing or you'll be a ridiculously expensive tax team.
We are fortunate to be talented enough without BI, that we can afford to lose him for below his percieved value right now.
Bradley Beal is still a really good basketball player. He's not some great defender, but he's also not CJ bad either.
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They should have never traded Jrue.
100% agree. Very stupid move. They should have been looking to replace MIddleton instead of Jrue. Giving Middleton the 3 year extension when his contract was up, then trading Jrue was their downfall, and it doesn't look like they can recover from it.
It's almost a similar situation we are in right now with BI, although BI is a lot more closer to his prime than Middleton was. But if we were to keep BI and give him a massive contract, we are basically saying it's BI/Zion for the forseeable future b/c there won't be much you can do salary wise with them two signed, and you'll start losing talent for nothing or you'll be a ridiculously expensive tax team.
We are fortunate to be talented enough without BI, that we can afford to lose him for below his percieved value right now.
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