re: Trey Murphy III, Game 1 of Summer League: 26 points, 9 Rebounds, 2 Assists

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It's almost like Griff knows what he's doing...

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Oh yeah, those free agent signings were money

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Thr NBA has this weird hang up about drafting 3 or 4 year players from college.

Like that means his ceiling is limited. Because he hasn’t shown great ability to create his own shot. But I recall the same being said of Klay Thompson and Jaylen Brown. And they’re fine in that regard now.

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Never understood the whole younger equals more potential theory. To me that just means wasted years on an NBA bench waiting for a 18/19 year old to physically, mentally, emotionally mature to the point where he can CONSISTENTLY contribute to a team, unless he's Lebron, Durant or a prodigy, i would pass on "potential" or "raw" player.

Also, said player is likely to spend alot of time in the G League and on the bench for half a season or more, but more importantly, not having learned to lead a team nor perform in clutch, intense pressure situations like the NC2A tournament.

Perfect selection is drafting players after their Junior year. Nice sample size of games and hopefully tournament games to better evaluate projection and assess said player in penultimate pressure settings. For example, Mario Chalmers appeared to be an average NBA talent prior to Kansas 08 title run. He hit the game winning shot and did so with moxie. That moxie translated to him hitting key shots for the Heat during their championship years other than his rookie year, when Bron and Wade was playing hot potato against Dallas, and more times than not,the ball would swing to Chalmers for a jump shot or Haslem in the short corner. Chalmers obviously missed more than made, but what I took away from it was that he wasnt afraid to take the shot, unlike Bron. You cant assess that instrumental quality in a player without actually witnessing it at some point.

Contradictorily, Ben Simmons at LSU, particularly against Oklahoma with Hield, he shied away from the ball in the waning minutes after performing well for most of the game. I realized AT THAT TIME, he was not one for late game heroics, let alone taking a clutch jump shot, which was a harbinger of what is his problem now, scared of failing in the moment and since he feels he's not good at that aspect of the game, which for the most part has always been easy to him, he simply rather just not try.

Hard to assess certain intangibles needed in a player without seeing them perform in similar moments and conditions which he will be expected to excel in. Intangibles is what separates players at the NBA level. How any GM attempts to quantitatively assess those critical intangibles and the makeup/psyche of any player, simply in "player interviews" and probing their coaches, is beyond me.

Im not a GM, but I would be very reluctant to draft any player without being able to have assess them in high level tournament-like conditions. Its one of the main reasons why Villanova players have had success, early in their NBA careers... Because they've been in those situations and have succeeded, which instills one of the most, if not THE most critical intangible there is in sports, CONFIDENCE.

Same shite each year...
The Pels are Summer League gods, the fans are overeacting...

Wait until the end of the regular season to judge the pelicans and Trey Murphy's potential...

Trae Young's first game was 0/9 in summer league ? Now ? :)
Lamelo Ball's first game was 0 pt ? Now ? :)
Stephen Curry was 32.5% overall and 34.5% from 3 in Summer League ? Now ? :)

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Trae Young's first game was 0/9 in summer league ? Now ? :)
Lamelo Ball's first game was 0 pt ? Now ? :)
Stephen Curry was 32.5% overall and 34.5% from 3 in Summer League ? Now ? :)

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Oh shite I see what you're saying....MURPHY GONNA AVERAGE 50 A GAME IF HES ALREADY OUTPLAYING ALL THOSE FOOLS

Don't have a clue what a cumslinger is, sounds like a man whore. You'll have to explain that one.

But yeah I agree, at this point let's do what we should've done last year and see what our young guys can do when given real opportunity. I want guys like Kira, Murphy, Naji, etc getting minutes this year. I want NAW and Jaxson getting big minutes. Let's build this thing the organic way. Let's see what we have and we can reevaluate at the trade deadline with our TPE.

He is more athletic than I thought which is great. My only concern is that it seems to me that he has kind of a long shooting stroke.

Could that be a problem against NBA players, I have no idea. Just seems like the shooters in the league get their shots off faster.

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Could that be a problem against NBA players, I have no idea. Just seems like the shooters in the league get their shots off faster.

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On some shots it appears he takes his time, on other shots he appears to have a pretty quick release.

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My only concern is that it seems to me that he has kind of a long shooting stroke.

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He also gets up when he shoots.

I agree, a quicker release would help with his mid-range jumper against a taller defender.

But with how high he peaks when he shoots, if he has any kind of separation, I see anyone under 6'9 having a hard time closing out on him around the perimeter.

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he has kind of a long shooting stroke.

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super long delivery in certain situations, esp off the dribble. he had some shots with pace, though, so hopefully he develops a quicker trigger

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Could that be a problem against NBA players, I have no idea.

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depends on how we want to use him and how much we want him to score. it probably won't matter if we expect him to be a low-usage, stationary 3 point shooter taking advantage of the gravity of Zion/BI. but he's likely capped at 8-12 ppg or so in that role. if we want him to do more (like where JJ reddick got in his career offensively), he'll have to get a quicker shot

There was one 3 in particular towards the end where he had a guy on him pretty tight, he did a jab step to give a little space and then went up quick and drained the 3. That was probably my favorite one of his.