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Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:45 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Here's an interesting comp. Is he really worth that much more than TMIII?
Didn't he take a bit of a hometown discount?
Gordon is pretty critical to that team and it's Championship aspirations. He's a great defender and allows Jokic alot of freedom. It's a solid deal. They need to move Porter now though. I saw some rumors about him going to the Bulls..
Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:49 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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But what happens when they key on Murray? The idea is to have more than one guy that can keep the offense from stagnating.
Zion. He is the answer to your question. In my world, where we don't pay Ingram beyond this year, CJ is a tertiary playmaker and scorer behind Zion and Murray, a job that he can more than handle for the next two seasons. Then Trey provides great spacing, a pick and pop partner for Zion and Murray, and a 6'10" defender who is at least as good as BI on that end. Herb provides corner spacing and cutting. Also in this BI-less world we will have a center who is an actual NBA player to contribute offensively. Teams don't make decisions based on injury possibility. We saw last year, BI can't be the primary play maker for a playoff team. The team has to make personnel decisions to have the most well balanced and well fitting roster within their budget to make a deep run. The answer is obvious.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:49 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Brmark in mid-season form
I am a huge Suggs fan, but he's not worth 5Y/150M fully guaranteed with a trade kicker. Murphy is worth more than Suggs. We could have got the 1st pick in the draft for Murphy. How does he get less 38M less than Suggs? That's a bad job by his agent. It's even worse when he's stuck on a lesser team, without a starting role. How is this a good situation for him?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:52 pm to brmark70816
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We could have got the 1st pick in the draft for Murphy.
1. Says who?
2. Only in 2024
Posted on 10/21/24 at 8:01 pm to GOP_Tiger
Another absolute coup by Griff. I don’t think there was a single person on this board who thought we’d get TM3 at 28 a year if he hit RFA. In fact, most would probably agree that a 40+/year deal from just one team was likely.
Jose, Herb, and TM3 all took team friendly deals to be here now. It’d be nice to actually reward them by winning.
Jose, Herb, and TM3 all took team friendly deals to be here now. It’d be nice to actually reward them by winning.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 8:06 pm to brmark70816
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It's even worse when he's stuck on a lesser team,
The magic won fewer games than us and have made the playoffs once in the past 4 years.
They are the lesser team. Statistically worse than the Pels, and that's part of the reason the Magic overpaid him.
Good players that are max guys stay on the good teams for less all the time. It speaks to culture and creating a winning environment. They want to be apart of it and are willing to take a few mil less so we can compete.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 8:06 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Trey is still very much on an upward trajectory, and last season saw significant improvement in the non-shooting parts of his game.
He’s going into his 4th year and he’s 24 years old. His upward trajectory is starting to flatten out and he’s more in the fine tuning phase of his career.
Describe the significant improvements you speak of.
I thought he got better as a defender. Offensively he’s gotten better at getting his shot off quicker? But he’s still a set your feet square up first shooter. CJ and Hawk can shoot without their shoulder squared to the goal when they go up, b/c jump when they shoot and they can square their shoulders when they jump even when their feet aren’t set. Trey doesn’t have that ability, but he’s still a lethal 3 point shooter b/c of his length.
And don’t take me being critical here as any slight to Trey. He’s just a different player than BI or CJ, and that doesn’t have to mean he’s by any means not as good. I love Trey and am very happy we got him locked up.
To me, the core I know will be here in 3 years is Zion, Herb and Trey. I’m not going to say Murray yet until we see him play, but if he works well with Zion offensively, and Herb defensively, then yeah he’s in that core.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 8:48 pm to TeddyPadillac
To me his improvement now has to be:
Ability to shoot 3s at all points
Better passing and rebounding
Better defense
He will never develop adequate handles to take it to the hoop or drive and dish.
You just wanna be a bigger klay Thompson.
Ability to shoot 3s at all points
Better passing and rebounding
Better defense
He will never develop adequate handles to take it to the hoop or drive and dish.
You just wanna be a bigger klay Thompson.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 9:07 pm to htran90
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I'm about to start the Myles Turner hype train again. Last year of his extension.
Is 28-29 this year.
Shoots a career 35.4% from 3, last 2 years averaged 36.5%
Played 139 games the past 2 years (out of 164)
Still a solid defender. Meh rebounder though
Plenty of teams would be all over turner.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 9:56 pm to Soggymoss
Great deal for both sides. Now let’s get BI’s arse out of here.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 6:48 am to ShamelessPel
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Jose, Herb, and TM3 all took team friendly deals to be here now. I
I think Jose is overpaid a bit, and Herb got his max. He was just screwed by being a 2nd round pick.
Murphy definitely could have gotten more in the open market, though, assuming he's healthy this year.
But we have very good salaries for the 3, for 3 years.
This is our window. We can't keep this core together after another round of extensions.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:00 am to ShamelessPel
quote:He got almost exactly the AAV most everyone was expecting, but not the 5th year.
Another absolute coup by Griff. I don’t think there was a single person on this board who thought we’d get TM3 at 28 a year if he hit RFA.
The deal is fine. The idea that it's some crazy coup is wild. Virtually everyone knew this deal was getting done before yesterday, and virtually everyone in the know was saying between 5/135 and 5/140. We got that AAV, but 1 less year, so a little worse than we expected. But again, it's fine.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:01 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Why do you think the person replacing BI has do to all the exact same things as BI?
it seems obvious to many of you, and many of you are wrong.
Trey isn't BI, nor is he capable of being BI.
and that's not a knock on Trey by any means.
And that doesn't mean we aren't a better team by replacing BI with Trey.
But they are not the same player, and Trey was given a chance to replace BI's production at the end of the season and he didn't b/c he's not a play maker. He's a shooter.
He doesn't.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:04 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:So when Zion has the ball, Trey's man is never going to leave Trey? That's a massive Pels W.
But what happens when they key on Murray?
quote:And we have multiple guys that can do that without Ingram, so sounds like we're good in that department too?
The idea is to have more than one guy that can keep the offense from stagnating.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:25 pm to shel311
28 for a part time player, no D.
I like Trey, but NBA money now is crazy.
This team won’t win like it is, so youth is locked up, tank and let’s get flagg.
I like Trey, but NBA money now is crazy.
This team won’t win like it is, so youth is locked up, tank and let’s get flagg.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Describe the significant improvements you speak of.
You mentioned some of them, but the most important jump in his offensive comes from being willing and able to put the ball on the floor. I thought he improved a lot in that area last season, and I'm expecting a lot more this year.
I'm also expecting the extra muscle that he's added this season to help him become a better rebounder.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I'm also expecting the extra muscle that he's added this season to help him become a better rebounder.
Unless Pels are seeing something from Zion that we have not seen to date rebounding will get Tre in the starting lineup sooner than later. Best case for Tre is 8+ caroms.
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