re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread

I love CJ too but if you trade for one of Garland, Trae Young or Dejounte Murray they are all going to be our starting PG which means you either move CJ back to SG where he really belongs and put Herb on the bench or you make CJ the 6th man that still gets 27-30 min a game where he’s the focal point of the offense with the 2nd team. To me I think CJ played like shite at the end of the year because he didn’t have his legs under him. He had to play a lot of hard minutes for us last year and didn’t miss many games. A move to the bench could help preserve CJ’s legs so he’s not running on empty in April. Lots of great players have moved to a 6th man role and thrived at the back end of their careers.

3 team trade:
Cle-NOP-Utah

Cleveland sends out:
Jarett Allen, Darius Garland to NOP
4 2nd round picks to Utah

Cleveland receives:
Brandon Ingram from NOP
John Collins and Walker Kessler from Utah

- Why do they do this? Obtains a true #2 guy (Ingram) next to Mitchell to show them they're buying into him. Replaces Allen with 2 big men (Kessler and Collins) both who can provide 20 minutes a piece of either spacing and athleticism offensively or elite rim protection allowing Mobley a break or roaming defensively. Still under contract for 2 more years at less than 30mil for both.
- Gives up a disgruntled player & only a handful of 2nd round picks while building up a contender to show Mitchell they are truly all in.

New Orleans sends out:
Brandon Ingram to Cleveland
Larry Nance, Dyson Daniels, 2024 1st and 2025 1st (top 4 protected of the 3 between LA, NO, and Milwaukee) to Utah, and 2027 1st (top 10 protected)

New Orleans receives:
Darius Garland and Jarrett Allen from Cleveland
Lauri Markkanen from Utah

- Why do they do this? Its obvious that Brandon Ingram isn't that guy for the team, and instead of giving him a monster contract --- moves him into a better position while getting some value in return. Also retools the center position with a guy that Griff has been infatuated in. Corrects a mistake of not obtaining a stretch big in Lauri and still allows you to accumulate talent and not using up the remainder of the war chest.
- Gives up arguably the best player and a few 1sts, but getting in return 3 quality players to build around Zion.

Utah send out:
John Collins to Cleveland
Walker Kessler and Lauri Markkanen to New Orleans

Utah Receives:
4 2nd round picks from Cleveland
3 1st round picks, Larry Nance, and Dyson Daniels from New Orleans

Why do they do this? Commit to the rebuild while building up a small war chest of picks and young players in the process. They are all in to Capture the Flagg. Getting a young player and 3 1sts could be enticing to initiate a rebuild
- Nance is an expiring and will be moved as well to a contender later on.

Pelicans team after:
PG: Garland/McCollum/Alvarado
SG: Jones/Hawkins/Marshall
SF: Murphy/Jones/Marshall
PF: Williamson/Markkanen/Murphy
C: Allen/Markkanen/[Whoever]

Collins is a throw away and Kessler ain't worth two firsts.

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Kessler + Lauri for Dyson and 2 1sts seem reasonable.

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Bro.. cmon lmao

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Bro.. cmon lmao

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too much moving without cleaning the posts, 3* 1sts.

They're seemingly not very high on Kessler at all. I'm actually quite lost on why they're even floating him around and trying to fit Clingan instead.

Dyson Daniels needs a better situation, allowing him offensive freedom while being an elite defender would do him wonders (like it did for NAW).

Lauri is an expiring & about to get a big extension. His value isn't anymore than 3 1sts honestly. especially a projected lotto 1st in there.

His value is inflated. He's a guy who has never lead a team anywhere, is oft injured, and has only averaged 57.5 games a season since he's been in the league. While he has a valuable skill set, he's still a liability on the defensive side of the ball and will command a monster contract.

I’ve decided that my dream offseason would be the following.

Trade BI for Garland

Trade CJ for WCJ: Magic need tons of shooting, CJ’s contract doesn’t mess up their cap sheet and they don’t see committed to WCJ.

Trade Larry, EJ and 2 2nds for Mitch Rob: Knicks are committing to Hartenstein long term and we’d clear money off their books for them

Draft Tyler Smith at 21

Offer CP3 or Kyle Lowry a 1 year MLE level contract ~13M

Sign Malik Beasley for the minimum

Sign Karlo

Garland/CP3 or Lowry/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Beasley
Trey/Dyson/Ryan
Zion/Tyler Smith/JRE
WCJ/Mitch Rob/Karlo

Yeah this team is “one injury away from being a lottery team” written all over it.

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I love CJ too but if you trade for one of Garland, Trae Young or Dejounte Murray they are all going to be our starting PG which means you either move CJ back to SG where he really belongs and put Herb on the bench or you make CJ the 6th man that still gets 27-30 min a game where he’s the focal point of the offense with the 2nd team. To me I think CJ played like shite at the end of the year because he didn’t have his legs under him. He had to play a lot of hard minutes for us last year and didn’t miss many games. A move to the bench could help preserve CJ’s legs so he’s not running on empty in April. Lots of great players have moved to a 6th man role and thrived at the back end of their careers.

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This is what I don't understand when people talk about line-ups and starters. They state that you can just move a guy to the bench, and he'll still get minutes, so it's not a big deal. Then why not just move another guy to the bench and let him start anyway? If it's not a big deal, then just let Jones or Murphy come off the bench, right?

The thing is it does matter to players. Jones and Murphy don't want to be bench guys. Neither does McCollum. It doesn't make sense anyway. All of these moves. At what point does McCollum become our 6th or 7th best player?