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Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:30 pm to PELsu
quote:Also fair!
Fair, Zion should be our best player and when healthy and in shape is. Over the last five years, the majority of that time that was not the case and it was Bi.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:11 pm to Pels_Yaz
So here’s my best shot. Trade #1
Hawks get: BI and our 2024 1st
Pels get: Dejounte Murray, Onyeka Okongwu
CJ to the bench with Murray at PG and Herb at the 2 guard. Okungwu replaces Larry Nance as the rotating 5.
Trade 2:
Pels get: Jarrett Allen
Cavs get: Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance Jr, 2 1st round picks, swap 2027
You pretty much use up your extra draft capital getting Allen but he’s a really good player on a good contract the next 2 years. I still love JV he was my favorite player because of his hustle and just manhandling at the rim with rebounds. We had to make a move though and get more athletic to move out of Zion’s way. With the little money we have left I would do my best to get Naji back on a fair deal as the primary 4 behind Zion like he played a lot last year.
PG: Murray, Jose, Hawk
SG: Herb, CJ, Hawk
SF: Trey, Matt Ryan, Naji, Hawk (small ball lineup)
PF: Z , Naji, Matkovic
C: Allen , Okungwu, JRE
This seems like a real trade that both teams would have to think about accepting. Cleveland gets a good , young defender that can defend 1-5 plus Larry an expiring deal and 2 first round picks to build around Donovan and Mobley. Pels get the athletic C they have been after and the salaries match with both trades. Make CJ the 6th man where he still plays starter minutes and can be the #1 scoring option. Okungwu is the new Larry and Matt Ryan actually plays like he should have last year. Naji on a MlE type deal backs Zion up. This lives and dies on Trey making that step to being the 2nd star to put with Zion. We would also no question have the best defensive backcourt in the NBA with Murray and Herb.
Hawks get: BI and our 2024 1st
Pels get: Dejounte Murray, Onyeka Okongwu
CJ to the bench with Murray at PG and Herb at the 2 guard. Okungwu replaces Larry Nance as the rotating 5.
Trade 2:
Pels get: Jarrett Allen
Cavs get: Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance Jr, 2 1st round picks, swap 2027
You pretty much use up your extra draft capital getting Allen but he’s a really good player on a good contract the next 2 years. I still love JV he was my favorite player because of his hustle and just manhandling at the rim with rebounds. We had to make a move though and get more athletic to move out of Zion’s way. With the little money we have left I would do my best to get Naji back on a fair deal as the primary 4 behind Zion like he played a lot last year.
PG: Murray, Jose, Hawk
SG: Herb, CJ, Hawk
SF: Trey, Matt Ryan, Naji, Hawk (small ball lineup)
PF: Z , Naji, Matkovic
C: Allen , Okungwu, JRE
This seems like a real trade that both teams would have to think about accepting. Cleveland gets a good , young defender that can defend 1-5 plus Larry an expiring deal and 2 first round picks to build around Donovan and Mobley. Pels get the athletic C they have been after and the salaries match with both trades. Make CJ the 6th man where he still plays starter minutes and can be the #1 scoring option. Okungwu is the new Larry and Matt Ryan actually plays like he should have last year. Naji on a MlE type deal backs Zion up. This lives and dies on Trey making that step to being the 2nd star to put with Zion. We would also no question have the best defensive backcourt in the NBA with Murray and Herb.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:24 pm to shel311
I think one thing is clear for me, I want to get Dejounte Murray on this team.
If BI would sign an extension for around $40M, i'd gladly bring him back, despite the fact that most of you think he's trash.
IF he did that, then i'd look to move CJ to Orlando for Suggs and WCJ, and send Suggs to ATL.
Keep Larry and draft a big.
would suck that Trey isn't starting, but h'es going to play 30+ mpg regardless, and i think the closing lineup of Murray/Herb/BI/Trey/Zion will work a lot better than the one with CJ due to Murray's defense and rebounding.
If we actually want to improve the team, then moving CJ is the best way to do that, not moving BI.
You make that move, keep Zeller, Ryan, Naji, move EJ/JRE out, draft a big and bring in Karlo. We'd be comfortably under the tax this year.
Murray/Jose
Herb/Hawkins/Dyson
BI/Trey/Naji/Ryan
Zion/Karlo
WCJ/Larry/#21/Zeller
If that team works out well, and #21 can be a backup big for us, Larry is let go next offseason and we are a tax team with Trey/BI's salary increase for 2026. iIt would likely be easy to avoid the tax in 2027 with the increases in the cap over the next 3 years, and Zion not getting to his new deal yet.
Focus on the core of Murray/BI/Herb/Zion/Trey and the rest of the roster needs to be rookie contracts and miniimum contracts with one MLE level contract at the center position. If we can't win with that lineup, then it just isn't meant to be.
If BI would sign an extension for around $40M, i'd gladly bring him back, despite the fact that most of you think he's trash.
IF he did that, then i'd look to move CJ to Orlando for Suggs and WCJ, and send Suggs to ATL.
Keep Larry and draft a big.
would suck that Trey isn't starting, but h'es going to play 30+ mpg regardless, and i think the closing lineup of Murray/Herb/BI/Trey/Zion will work a lot better than the one with CJ due to Murray's defense and rebounding.
If we actually want to improve the team, then moving CJ is the best way to do that, not moving BI.
You make that move, keep Zeller, Ryan, Naji, move EJ/JRE out, draft a big and bring in Karlo. We'd be comfortably under the tax this year.
Murray/Jose
Herb/Hawkins/Dyson
BI/Trey/Naji/Ryan
Zion/Karlo
WCJ/Larry/#21/Zeller
If that team works out well, and #21 can be a backup big for us, Larry is let go next offseason and we are a tax team with Trey/BI's salary increase for 2026. iIt would likely be easy to avoid the tax in 2027 with the increases in the cap over the next 3 years, and Zion not getting to his new deal yet.
Focus on the core of Murray/BI/Herb/Zion/Trey and the rest of the roster needs to be rookie contracts and miniimum contracts with one MLE level contract at the center position. If we can't win with that lineup, then it just isn't meant to be.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:26 pm to LSUPilot07
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shite about the 1st overall pick? frick the draft. I just want to fricking get some proven talent on this squad with BI as an asset.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:27 pm to LSUPilot07
Two other big men the Pelicans need to look at are Walker Kessler and Nick Richards in Charlotte. I think Kessler is going to make a big jump
and become one of the best C in the NBA.
and become one of the best C in the NBA.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:29 pm to PELsu
quote:
He obviously wasn’t himself,
This is the heart of our disagreement. He was exactly himself. He played the exact same way he plays every time he goes up against Dort, Dillon Brooks, Anunoby, and anyone else who plays aggressive defense. He does not leave his comfort zone, even when it would greatly benefit the team. His issues are not because he is incapable. His issues are that he chooses not to change.
Any potential extension should indicate he is finally willing to sacrifice for the betterment of the team. And that starts with a significant cut from his current salary. Any raise would just further reenforce his prima donna behavior.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:31 pm to LSUPilot07
quote:
Cavs get: Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance Jr, 2 1st round picks, swap 2027
I’m not giving up all that for Allen.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:40 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:
I’m not giving up all that for Allen.
I'm not even sure I want Allen. The rising cap is the only thing that makes me consider it. But the Pels either need a unicorn that fits perfectly with Zion, or a center committee of 3 that costs $30 or less total. Allen is neither a unicorn or cheap enough to be part of the center committee.
And before I get downvoted to hell, there are real money issues to navigate with this team, and being restrained at center makes a lot of sense if you can't get a unicorn.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:50 pm to mhasen1
quote:
This is the heart of our disagreement. He was exactly himself. He played the exact same way he plays every time he goes up against Dort, Dillon Brooks, Anunoby, and anyone else who plays aggressive defense. He does not leave his comfort zone, even when it would greatly benefit the team. His issues are not because he is incapable. His issues are that he chooses not to change. Any potential extension should indicate he is finally willing to sacrifice for the betterment of the team. And that starts with a significant cut from his current salary. Any raise would just further reenforce his prima donna behavior.
Instead of going on with disagreements, I will say what I agree with. I’ve said before I take issue with BI and his willingness to do what’s best for the team. I firmly believe he made a conscious decision not to shoot threes. We brought in Borrego, claimed how many we would shoot, and on many occasions it was said publicly they wanted Bi to shoot more threes. And he averaged like 3 a game. That was not circumstance.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:52 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
I'm not even sure I want Allen. The rising cap is the only thing that makes me consider it. But the Pels either need a unicorn that fits perfectly with Zion, or a center committee of 3 that costs $30 or less total. Allen is neither a unicorn or cheap enough to be part of the center committee. And before I get downvoted to hell, there are real money issues to navigate with this team, and being restrained at center makes a lot of sense if you can't get a unicorn.
In his scenario where you have Murray, Herb, Allen and hopefully Trey at something reasonable, I think it’s doable. I’m just not sure how I feel about the ceiling of that team, especially minus most of its assets.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:59 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
center committee of 3 that costs $30 or less total. Allen is neither a unicorn or cheap enough to be part of the center committee.
Agreed. This is the best approach. I’d try to move up a few spots to make sure we get Edey if he starts to slide, keep Nance, and a third center with a different skill set to rotate depending on matchups.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 5:01 pm to TigerinATL
I don't think you need a unicorn with Zion. Just a long athletic mobile and smart big who can finish at a very high level at the dunker spot and off the P&R. While the shooting would be nice, the ability to punish teams consistently who wall off Zion with a strong finisher at the dunker spot should be just as effective.
You have to remember how dangerous Larry was when his athleticism showed up in games. We just need a guy who can do that every single game.
You have to remember how dangerous Larry was when his athleticism showed up in games. We just need a guy who can do that every single game.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 5:58 pm to Townedrunkard
I made that deal because it seems Grif is looking for his white whale center and PG.If I had my way we would go cheap, bring back Jonas for 2 years $22 million and go find a cheap athletic center to develop or maybe draft someone. I like that Allen plays above god actual size but he’s still undersized. Jonas gives you that option against teams with traditional 7’ or more center. Mo Bamba is a free agent that I would like the Pels to take a chance on. He’d be dirt cheap to sign but he’s got the talent to be a really good player. As far as PG, Young, Murray and Garland would all be great additions in their own way but it’s stone to bring a real PG to run the offense.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 6/6/24 at 6:34 pm to StrongOffer
quote:
Proposal from Bleacher Report today: Pelicans get: Dejounte Murray, Bogdanovic Hawks get: Ingram, Dyson Daniels, 2025 1st round pick (most favorable of Lakers and Pels picks)
I would do that, but I’m not giving up a pick.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 6:36 pm to NOFOX
quote:
Green-Whitmore-Eason is a pretty solid return for BI. I get people don't like Jalen, but people don't like BI either.
Gotta apologize to you, when you first posted this I assumed you were talking about Jeff Green, not Jalen.
I would take Jalen, but I would also be looking for a way to flip him somewhere for a team that will be salivating at his March stats and would be willing to overpay for him.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 7:33 pm to Soggymoss
Houston rookie contracts:
1. Sengun
2. Jalen Green
3. Jabari Smith
4. Jae'sean Tate
5. Tari Eason
6. Cam Whitmore
7. Amen Thompson
8. #3 in upcoming draft
They will be making some moves this summer.
Most of those guys should be good to very good NBA players.
1. Sengun
2. Jalen Green
3. Jabari Smith
4. Jae'sean Tate
5. Tari Eason
6. Cam Whitmore
7. Amen Thompson
8. #3 in upcoming draft
They will be making some moves this summer.
Most of those guys should be good to very good NBA players.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 7:56 pm to Dantheman504
If we DON'T make a big splash with a Murray/ Trae/ Mitchell/ Allen/ Garland package from BI then we add assets and reposition to make the move for CJ.
These would be the best 4 teams w packages for BI IMO
Magic:
Suggs/ Wendell Carter/ Isaac/ 2 picks??
Pacers:
Mathurin/ Nembhard/ Nesmith/ TJ Mconnel/ 1 pick?
Trailblazers:
Sharpe/ Simons/ Robert Williams/ 1 pick?
Sharpe / Ayton
Rockets:
Green/ Eason/ Whitmore/ Landale
JSJ/ Eason/ Whitmore/ Landale
#3/ Eason/ Whitmore/ Landale/ Thompson
I dislike the Magic's package the most but it is the best defensive package and just looks less flashy.
These would be the best 4 teams w packages for BI IMO
Magic:
Suggs/ Wendell Carter/ Isaac/ 2 picks??
Pacers:
Mathurin/ Nembhard/ Nesmith/ TJ Mconnel/ 1 pick?
Trailblazers:
Sharpe/ Simons/ Robert Williams/ 1 pick?
Sharpe / Ayton
Rockets:
Green/ Eason/ Whitmore/ Landale
JSJ/ Eason/ Whitmore/ Landale
#3/ Eason/ Whitmore/ Landale/ Thompson
I dislike the Magic's package the most but it is the best defensive package and just looks less flashy.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 6/6/24 at 8:23 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
TigerinATL
You trying to trot out Greg Stiemsma at center?
Posted on 6/6/24 at 8:26 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
You trying to trot out Greg Stiemsma at center
Only if asik isn't available
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