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re: Siakam to Pacers, Kira to Raps, Pels send 2nd

Posted on 1/17/24 at 5:00 pm to
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 5:00 pm to
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in the case of Kira, you needlessly pick up an option
the sunk cost fallacy seems like it has a corner office at pels HQ. Should have burned the building after demps finally imploded because of it
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
42418 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 5:02 pm to
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well if our dumbass GM wouldn't have given a 1st round pick away just to sign a FA, then we would have had the 15th pick too, which just so happened to be Mark Williams.



In the past 5 years, how many GM's would you say have done a better job than Griff with drafting? Throw in trades if you want too.
Posted by kneenola
Member since Dec 2018
128 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 7:05 pm to
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Now trade Naji


During the IST press conference with Zion and BI, Zion implied Naji and Jose were his best friends on the team. If that's the case, I'd rather just keep Naji than disrupt the locker room midseason especially because Zion is kinda fragile mentally.

I want Hawk to play over Naji, but Naji's versatility also is nice to have when needed.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7924 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 7:07 pm to
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During the IST press conference with Zion and BI, Zion implied Naji and Jose were his best friends on the team. If that's the case, I'd rather just keep Naji than disrupt the locker room midseason especially because Zion is kinda fragile mentally.



What are the cliques on the team?

Who are BI guys and who are Zion's?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130294 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 7:41 pm to
Bi, Jose and Naji are extremely close. Hang out a lot outside of the team.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5910 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 8:01 pm to
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Jaxson Hayes: 8th overall pick/not resigned or extended Nickell Alexander Walker: 17th overall pick/trade filler Kira Lewis, Jr.: 13th overall pick/cost 2nd round pick to trade Devonte Graham: cost 15th overall pick to get/cost four 2nd round picks to trade


Don’t forget signing Derrick Favors, JJ Reddick, trading for Eric Bledsoe and Steven Adams, shipping out Bledsoe and Adams the very next season, getting nothing for Lonzo, signing darius miller to a two year deal for $15,000,000, signing Nicolo Melli and hiring Stan Van gundy.

Pretty much everything this front office did between the Zion pick and the 2021 draft was a terrible move.
Posted by kneenola
Member since Dec 2018
128 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 8:04 pm to
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Bi, Jose and Naji are extremely close. Hang out a lot outside of the team.


Hmm in that case, maybe Zion meant that Naji and Jose were BI's best friends. It was kind of a weird dialogue. Either way, the point about not trading Naji for the sake of the locker room is still basically the same.

The part of the IST press conference I was referring to: LINK
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30352 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 8:20 pm to
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In the past 5 years, how many GM's would you say have done a better job than Griff with drafting? Throw in trades if you want too.


What does that have to do with his dumbass S&T that wasn’t necessary to include a 1st to sign Graham. Charlotte must have laughed their asses off once Griff agreed to give them a first.
The same idiot gave Lonzo away for nothing basically, and Chicago had no way of signing him without the S&T so they were desperate, unlike us with Charlotte.
That was terrible and a waste of two 1st round picks.

And finding Herb and Naji and Jose is pure luck, not drafting.

Hayes, NAW, Kira, Trey, Dyson, Hawkins.
No one is going to complain about that.
But don’t act like just b/c we’ve drafted well the last three drafts now he’s a great GM. He’s still a lying idiot that thinks he’s smarter than people that actually know basketball and has wasted a ton of our assets.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17658 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 8:26 pm to
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Derrick Favors

He should’ve been way better for us, but between injury and losing his mom that season it just didn’t work out.
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JJ Reddick

I don’t understand what the issue is here?
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trading for Eric Bledsoe

Part of the reason we got back what we did for Jrue was taking Bled
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Steven Adams

A miss, but SA was a top 5 in the league
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getting nothing for Lonzo

Without the Lonzo trade we made we don’t have CJ and Larry…
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signing darius miller to a two year deal for $15,000,000

It was essentially a one year deal for a team that was over the cap to have salary to send out in a trade, that money literally could not have been used anywhere else and would’ve been wasted cap space.
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signing Nicolo Melli and hiring Stan Van gundy.

Melli had his moments here.
Stan is a damn good coach, but we just have a soft guy the front office sees as the #1 on this team that doesn’t like hard coaching.
Posted by duyp
Member since May 2011
3387 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:29 pm to
The thing I like about Griffin is that he admits his mistakes and tries to fix them. Raptors held onto OG and Siakam too long, they would’ve gotten better pieces if they were traded last year.
Posted by duyp
Member since May 2011
3387 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:36 pm to
We also needed a defensive guard too. Remember cp3 went perfect against us in the playoffs game.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:39 pm to
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The thing I like about Griffin is that he admits his mistakes and tries to fix them.


Except the way he fixes it by giving teams our draft picks lol
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
15073 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:40 am to
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I don't like playing what if when it comes to the NBA draft, but A LOT of people liked Tyrese Maxey, and many wanted us to get back in late in the draft to get Bane.


I liked Maxey a lot, but it was a missed opportunity by Griff to not get Haliburton when he started sliding down the draft. He should have been trying to trade up a couple spots. The Suns reached on their pick and would have made a great spot. But Griff apparently wasn’t high on Haliburton. Still pisses me off to this day, was super high on him.

Really dint know what they saw in Kira other than he was fast.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 8:46 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104078 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:43 am to
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Really dint know what they saw in Kira other than he was fast.


Youth, meaning more potential for growth in his game compared to an older player.

He was the youngest player in that draft and younger than a lot of players in the draft after that.
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8257 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:44 am to
Pels have started going after older players in the draft, which has worked out incredibly every time over the last couple of years.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
15073 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:45 am to
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A miss, but SA was a top 5 in the league


No he was not.

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Without the Lonzo trade we made we don’t have CJ and Larry…


Woukd you take Lauri, a first round pick and much more cap space for those two right now. That’s what we gave up….
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68830 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:49 am to
I’m not sure I’ll be around in 3030, so IDGAF one way or the other…
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104078 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:50 am to
The whole thing is a catch 22.

You get younger players based on what they could become and they don’t.

You get older players based on what they are and they don’t really improve on that.


Given where we are now, older players who are somewhat known quantities fit what we need more. But when you have a young team and are trying to find a winning strategy, taking flyers on young moldable players is usually a good idea.

Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
19537 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:14 am to
IMO, if you need a superstar, you swing for the fences on a young guy with potential. If you already have face of the franchise players, you draft older guys that can fit a role around those players. Jaxson Hayes was a swing for the fences guy based on his potential, while Trey was an established guy that fit a role that we needed.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17658 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:14 am to
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No he was not.

Throughout his career Steven Adams has always been one of the best 5’s in the league. What are you even talking about no he was not?
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Woukd you take Lauri, a first round pick and much more cap space for those two right now. That’s what we gave up….

Lauri was never offered in a S&T deal with Lonzo because Chicago couldn’t offer an expiring player.

Now if you want to argue that we should’ve traded Lonzo at the deadline for Lauri when that was offered that’s a completely different argument.
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