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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
Posted on 6/14/20 at 11:46 am to CelticDog
Posted on 6/14/20 at 11:46 am to CelticDog
MM threw out a "what the future could look like" a few weeks back. Basically trade the war chest for Devin Booker in a few years. Adding a younger star to the mix is the type of move that could turn the Zion Pels into a dynasty.
I'm not saying going after a Turner or Beal should be off the table, but the price has to be right so we don't devalue the war chest too much.
I'm not saying going after a Turner or Beal should be off the table, but the price has to be right so we don't devalue the war chest too much.
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Posted on 6/14/20 at 12:06 pm to TigerinATL
quote:agreed neither are worth giving up multiple picks and a couple players
I'm not saying going after a Turner or Beal should be off the table, but the price has to be right so we don't devalue the war chest too much.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 1:23 pm to WB504
You would be giving up alot of the same assets you got from the Lakers
Posted on 6/14/20 at 4:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Forget whether or not Beal is much better than Jrue (I don't think that he is
if the decision is that beal is not much better than jrue then giving up lakers #1 and jrue is a terrible mistake.
jrue is kahwi lite.
soon there will be games.
pels vs portland vs memphis vs sacto. our own little playoff while the high seeds decide who their 8th guy is.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 5:48 pm to CelticDog
[quote]you pass up beal for jrue and laker 2021?
Absolutely
Absolutely
This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:23 pm to DBeaux225
quote:
We'll have to give up a whole helluva lot to get Beal in a trade. I think everybody but Zion and Ingram would be available for him.
I think they'll try to ask for Jaxson Hayes in the trade and I wouldnt want to part with his potential.
You can get other guys like Jaxson Hayes. Give up whatever it takes to get Beal and you have a legit big 3. Incredibly difficult to get a star like that but you can always get ancillary pieces.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 12:42 am to DBeaux225
quote:
I think they'll try to ask for Jaxson Hayes in the trade and I wouldnt want to part with his potential.
fricking lol
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:46 am to Pelefraan 1
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:46 am to Pelefraan 1
quote:Is it really a "fricking lol" to ask for Jaxson Hayes as part of a package for Bradley Beal?
fricking lol
Hopefully I read that incorrectly and you meant the "fricking lol" at the idea of the poster you replied to not wanting to move him at any cost for a Beal deal.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:49 am to shel311
i imagine it was the latter
Posted on 6/25/20 at 1:15 pm to WB504
I don't have a strong opinion on whether Beal is the right fit here or not. What I do know is this:
1) Of course it makes sense for Griffin to nose around and get involved with the bidding for any potential trade for a top-20 player. We are one of the few teams with the chips to make a big trade, so of course we should and will be involved in those discussions.
2) I think Griffin will have to think that he is winning a potential trade by a good bit for him to pull the trigger now.
The only reason to make a blockbuster trade right now is if you think that we are ready to win a title next year, and Beal is the missing piece. Otherwise, it makes more sense to wait, because guys like Jaxson Hayes, Didi, and NAW could be worth a lot more next year if they develop. There will be other potential trades next year and the year after, so again Griffin has to get a lot of outsized value to make such a trade right now.
1) Of course it makes sense for Griffin to nose around and get involved with the bidding for any potential trade for a top-20 player. We are one of the few teams with the chips to make a big trade, so of course we should and will be involved in those discussions.
2) I think Griffin will have to think that he is winning a potential trade by a good bit for him to pull the trigger now.
The only reason to make a blockbuster trade right now is if you think that we are ready to win a title next year, and Beal is the missing piece. Otherwise, it makes more sense to wait, because guys like Jaxson Hayes, Didi, and NAW could be worth a lot more next year if they develop. There will be other potential trades next year and the year after, so again Griffin has to get a lot of outsized value to make such a trade right now.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:45 pm to GOP_Tiger
Regarding Beal, if you have a chance to get a 30 points a game guy, at the beginning of his prime, you go get him and worry about fit later. If you roll out a lineup of Zion/Beal/Ingram every night, there are very few teams that can score with us.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:46 pm to saints5021
quote:that’s a big 3 with little defense with a coach who implements little defense
Zion/Beal/Ingram
Posted on 6/25/20 at 3:56 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:It's a fair point but there's an unknown pro and con to both sides.
The only reason to make a blockbuster trade right now is if you think that we are ready to win a title next year, and Beal is the missing piece.
Get Beal now. Pro - You get that elite level player now obviously. Con - Maybe there's an even better player who is a better fit come available 2 years from now but now we can't make that move
Cons are just the opposite on the other end...
Don't get Beal. Pro - Leaves our options open to get a better player down the road. Cons - Maybe we try but just can't ever finalize that deal to get that guy down the road, someone else always makes a better offer, or whatever.
I don't think there's a right or wrong, but I personally think you get the guy now, obviously if you feel he's the missing piece and feel what you're giving up is fair.
quote:That can also work both ways. Those guys, especially NAW and Didi, there's no guarantee they develop. Another season from now, their value certainly could go down. I wouldn't say the same for Hayes just because we've seen enough to be confident he'll improve and be a rotational guy. We can't make that guarantee with any confidence for the other 2.
ecause guys like Jaxson Hayes, Didi, and NAW could be worth a lot more next year if they develop
Posted on 6/25/20 at 4:01 pm to Macintosh
quote:I don't totally disagree with you. But, both sides...
that’s a big 3 with little defense with a coach who implements little defense
Ingram, I'm not out on totally, but the things he lacks seem to be things you can't teach, if you will. I don't know, i'm not sure he'll ever be average.
Beal - I don't think he's nearly as bad as people say. When the Wizards were good and winning, no one every really complained about his D, it was adequate. Only when they became terrible did it pop up. I think he'd be competent on a good team.
Zion - I see no reason to believe he won't be an above average defender.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 11:27 pm to WB504
According to Windhorst, Nets and Wizards are lining up a deal to trade Beal to the Nets. He said it on the Lowe Post Podcast
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:23 am to Macintosh
I wonder if they are already done with Kyrie from a financial standpoint? Or would they move Dinwiddie + others and picks?
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:34 am to BallHawk
These rumors have been circulating since May. It'd be a gut the team for a big 3 kind of move. I would assume that even though it's "July 1st", moves like that can't happen until the new offseason.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:36 am to TigerinATL
Right, but my point is that I do wonder if they are already annoyed at Kyrie and his antics off the court. He's not doing anything wrong per se but he's a distraction and has been everywhere he's gone. I'd imagine, though, that doing so would alienate KD to an extent.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:39 am to BallHawk
I'm sure the Nets are going all in with winning a title with Durant/Kyrie/Beal/DJ, and the other guy doesn't really matter. They'd be willing to trade their young talent for Beal, not really out of desperation, but out of the want to win a title right now, and not worry about the future that much.
If i were they, i'd ask for Dinwiddie/Allen/LeVert, and i don't think i'd budge much off of that. And i'd rather that over what the Pelicans could offer, since we aren't offering up Ingram, and Jrue simply doesn't fit their timeline anymore.
LeVert's salary goes from $2M to $16M next year. Prince's goes from $3M to $12M. SO this isn't a hard trade to make salary wise in the offseason.
If i were they, i'd ask for Dinwiddie/Allen/LeVert, and i don't think i'd budge much off of that. And i'd rather that over what the Pelicans could offer, since we aren't offering up Ingram, and Jrue simply doesn't fit their timeline anymore.
LeVert's salary goes from $2M to $16M next year. Prince's goes from $3M to $12M. SO this isn't a hard trade to make salary wise in the offseason.
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