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The_Duke
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
Bingo—-add to that Beal’s ability to run the offense meaning he and Jrue can def play well together. I’ve done a full 180 on Lonzo but if I can get Beal I’m doing it. Beal, Jrue, BI and Zion are a championship Caliber team in a year or 2.


CelticDog
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
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Pels get: Beal & Schofield

Wiz get: Jrue, Hart, Jax, (add a 1st)


Starting 5: Lonzo/Beal/Ingram/Zion/Favors

Bench: NAW/Redick/Schofield/Melli/Okafor






1. if its this year's first.

2. why is schofield in this deal? keep hart and they keep schofield. throw in a 2nd in 2021.


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TeddyPadillac
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
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Bingo—-add to that Beal’s ability to run the offense meaning he and Jrue can def play well together. I’ve done a full 180 on Lonzo but if I can get Beal I’m doing it. Beal, Jrue, BI and Zion are a championship Caliber team in a year or 2.



I agree.

I'm even ok losing Jrue for Beal, as i would assume Jrue would have to go to a 3rd team, but i sure as shite am not giving up 3 first round picks (NAW/Jax/1st) to do it. I'd maybe consider giving up a first and that's it, and even in that scenario, i'd want the first from whatever good team Jrue is going to.
Something like Jrue to the Warriors, Wiggins to the Wizards, Beal to the Pelicans, and maybe we throw a first at Washington


CelticDog
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
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Jrue to the Warriors, Wiggins to the Wizards, Beal to the Pelicans, and maybe we throw a first at Washington


no maybe about that first.
wiggins is the lightweight of the three - albeit with the hope of upside.

first is 2020 unconditional.

warriors give wiz a 2nd in 2021

pels and warriors are 2021 west contenders with this deal.

wiz are doomed anyway. wall contract is a killer.
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Unknown_Poster
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal

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I’m not saying age is the deciding factor, if you could move Jrue or Lonzo plus for him (and the Wiz did it for some ridiculous reason) then obviously I would do it, but if you’re throwing your chips in the basket I would prefer someone younger who could really age and grow with Zion.

People need to get over trying to create the ideal dynasty that can play together for a decade. Let's just try to win one title first.


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GOP_Tiger
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
With Lonzo's ability to connect with Zion, I don't see any way that he's worth as much to other teams as he is to us. I think that any trade involving Lonzo is a dumb trade at this point.

I think that Zo/Zion/BI are basically not getting traded under any circumstances.

Besides, from a salary matching standpoint, we would almost certainly have to trade Jrue in any Beal trade.

I don't get why there's this debate on whether we should trade Jrue or Lonzo -- it's really a dumb debate.


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Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
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he may be 4th

Zion is clearly better, Ingram is likely better, and then you have Ball/Jrue. Beal is clearly better than Ball but Ball runs the team as the point and seems to have an in with Zion. Jrue is in the same tier as Beal and has been the leader of this team for some time.



LOL

At this point, the only conclusion I can draw is you don’t even watch basketball outside the Pels, so this has been a waste of time.

Beal the offensive 4th option in year one? The second best scorer in the league? Behind a hypothetical situation we keep every big player? Ragging on a guys shooting who like Harden gets blanket defensive coverage and double teams but shoots the three more efficiently than him today and at that age. GTFO lol


Bronc
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
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I'm even ok losing Jrue for Beal, as i would assume Jrue would have to go to a 3rd team, but i sure as shite am not giving up 3 first round picks (NAW/Jax/1st) to do it. I'd maybe consider giving up a first and that's it, and even in that scenario, i'd want the first from whatever good team Jrue is going to.
Something like Jrue to the Warriors, Wiggins to the Wizards, Beal to the Pelicans, and maybe we throw a first at Washington



People gotta stop thinking this way.

If Beal’s market value today is two lottery level picks, a borderline allstar, and an unprotected first, what is his value at 29 after playing on an elite team for three seasons?

It’s probably still going to be around 1-2 lottery picks, a borderline all star, and an unprotected first round pick.

Or, you keep him longer because he is winning championships with you.

So on net the cost is not going to be that high. The question is does he make the most sense? If he gets us a championship and keeps us in the conversation for 5 years is it worth that cost? On the latter the answer is an obvious yes, if the former than I think you can have a more open debate about path forward.

I am still intrigued about a situation where we go after Turner and develop some of these guys and then look at flipping them. Of course that also depends on Jrue and what his next contract will look like. As he will be north of 30 playing toward his 35th birthday and that could be a major hindrance if he commands high dollars. But if he is willing and the Covid market works in our favor, him playing out the rest of his career as our Iggy is really intriguing while we make less all in moves to more organically build.


Moral of the story is we can go a lot of directions and not feel like we are backed into a corner if it wasn’t the perfect outcome. Something we couldn’t say for much for during the AD era where we just depleted our war chest as quick as we could on riskier assets.
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touchdownjeebus
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thank you AD


Nah, frick him.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
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If Beal’s market value today is two lottery level picks, a borderline allstar, and an unprotected first, what is his value at 29 after playing on an elite team for three seasons?

It’s probably still going to be around 1-2 lottery picks, a borderline all star, and an unprotected first round pick.

no

also, we kind of screwed up the market. if you're putting Beal up in this rarefied air and claimign he's better than PG13 and bestbrook, then why would he go for significantly less?

this is going to be very expensive and it's not going to have this fortunate net cost. we'd be renting him for 2 years or burdening ourselves with a bad contract after 2 years (for an aging player)


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SlowFlowPro
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Beal the offensive 4th option in year one? The second best scorer in the league? Behind a hypothetical situation we keep every big player?

i split jrue/ball

other than 20, what year has beal had on par with Ingram in 20? we have tons of data and i don't think he's ever been as good as Ingram was this year (until this year which is clearly an outlier).

then there is zion

so beal would be 3rd banana at best

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Ragging on a guys shooting who like Harden gets blanket defensive coverage and double teams but shoots the three more efficiently than him today and at that age.

Beal's reputation is that of a shooter. Harden's is not

Beal has always had this rep of being a sharpshooting guard and he's simply never been elite at shooting, contrary to his rep

Beal has only had TWO years over 25 ppg. Harden has 8 (in a row)

Beal has never had a 25 PER. Harden has had 6 (in a row)

Beal isn't in Harden's universe nor does he have the same type of play


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CelticDog
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
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we'd be renting him for 2 years or


good enough.

the 3 way for jrue to gsw and lakers 2021 to wiz in which wiggins goes to wiz along with gsw 2nd rounder 2020 is not too expensive.

team as constituted plus pels first 2020 and sign a big Favors.

should compete for whole enchilada both years.
zion as duke defender.

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SlowFlowPro
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the 3 way for jrue to gsw and lakers 2021 to wiz in which wiggins goes to wiz along with gsw 2nd rounder 2020 is not too expensive.

no it's not and it's almost assuredly not an option

i expect the Wiz will want a PG/Westbrook type deal, b/c that's the market (AD, PG, Westbrook)


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The Pirate King
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
The old guard (Dealin’ Dell) would make this play. Hopefully Griff doesn’t fall prey to the same mistakes.


Sharp85
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
Can someone please explain to me why the Wiz would be interested in a deal centered around 30 year old Jrue Holiday?


LouisianaJoseph
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
Because some people are trying to force a Dell Demps trade that fricks our future.


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GOP_Tiger
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
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Can someone please explain to me why the Wiz would be interested in a deal centered around 30 year old Jrue Holiday?



They wouldn't be interested in Jrue. A trade where we give up Jrue and get Beal would obviously have to involve a 3rd team, who would want him.


THRILLHO
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
Beside age, I don't see how Beal is a better fit for this team than Jrue. With our starting 5 of
-Ball
-Jrue or Beal
-Ingram
-Zion
-Favors/Jax??

I want Ingram and Zion taking 50-60% of our shots. I want the other 3 to compliment those two as much as possible. Ball is obviously a phenomenal compliment to Zion, especially with an improving 3pt shot. I'm not sure that we have an ideal center on our team right now, and agree that Turner would be a great fit. But I think that an elite defender, competent PG, and guy that can get to the basket at will (even though he rarely has the will) is a phenomenal compliment to Zion/Ingram, and that's what we have in Jrue.

Forget whether or not Beal is much better than Jrue (I don't think that he is), Beal is a volume shot kind of guy that can hinder the progression of Zion and Ingram Jrue is just a better fit.

Do you want Ingram and Zion on this team 7 years from now? Are they better at that point if they have 5 years of Jrue working with them, or 7 years of Beal?


SlowFlowPro
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
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Forget whether or not Beal is much better than Jrue (I don't think that he is), Beal is a volume shot kind of guy that can hinder the progression of Zion and Ingram Jrue is just a better fit.

Do you want Ingram and Zion on this team 7 years from now? Are they better at that point if they have 5 years of Jrue working with them, or 7 years of Beal?

Thank you


CelticDog
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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
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Hopefully Griff doesn’t fall prey to the same mistakes.





clarify

you mean you would not trade laker 2021 and jrue for beal in three way with gsw? gsw pays with wiggins and a pick?

put aside whether wiz does it for wiggins. laker 2021 and gsw 2nd in 2020 which is first of round2 ie bolmaro if im.picking.

you pass up beal for jrue and laker 2021?
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