re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal

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Pels get: Beal & Schofield

Wiz get: Jrue, Hart, Jax, (add a 1st)


Starting 5: Lonzo/Beal/Ingram/Zion/Favors

Bench: NAW/Redick/Schofield/Melli/Okafor

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1. if its this year's first.

2. why is schofield in this deal? keep hart and they keep schofield. throw in a 2nd in 2021.

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Jrue to the Warriors, Wiggins to the Wizards, Beal to the Pelicans, and maybe we throw a first at Washington

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no maybe about that first.
wiggins is the lightweight of the three - albeit with the hope of upside.

first is 2020 unconditional.

warriors give wiz a 2nd in 2021

pels and warriors are 2021 west contenders with this deal.

wiz are doomed anyway. wall contract is a killer.

With Lonzo's ability to connect with Zion, I don't see any way that he's worth as much to other teams as he is to us. I think that any trade involving Lonzo is a dumb trade at this point.

I think that Zo/Zion/BI are basically not getting traded under any circumstances.

Besides, from a salary matching standpoint, we would almost certainly have to trade Jrue in any Beal trade.

I don't get why there's this debate on whether we should trade Jrue or Lonzo -- it's really a dumb debate.

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I'm even ok losing Jrue for Beal, as i would assume Jrue would have to go to a 3rd team, but i sure as shite am not giving up 3 first round picks (NAW/Jax/1st) to do it. I'd maybe consider giving up a first and that's it, and even in that scenario, i'd want the first from whatever good team Jrue is going to.
Something like Jrue to the Warriors, Wiggins to the Wizards, Beal to the Pelicans, and maybe we throw a first at Washington

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People gotta stop thinking this way.

If Beal’s market value today is two lottery level picks, a borderline allstar, and an unprotected first, what is his value at 29 after playing on an elite team for three seasons?

It’s probably still going to be around 1-2 lottery picks, a borderline all star, and an unprotected first round pick.

Or, you keep him longer because he is winning championships with you.

So on net the cost is not going to be that high. The question is does he make the most sense? If he gets us a championship and keeps us in the conversation for 5 years is it worth that cost? On the latter the answer is an obvious yes, if the former than I think you can have a more open debate about path forward.

I am still intrigued about a situation where we go after Turner and develop some of these guys and then look at flipping them. Of course that also depends on Jrue and what his next contract will look like. As he will be north of 30 playing toward his 35th birthday and that could be a major hindrance if he commands high dollars. But if he is willing and the Covid market works in our favor, him playing out the rest of his career as our Iggy is really intriguing while we make less all in moves to more organically build.


Moral of the story is we can go a lot of directions and not feel like we are backed into a corner if it wasn’t the perfect outcome. Something we couldn’t say for much for during the AD era where we just depleted our war chest as quick as we could on riskier assets.

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If Beal’s market value today is two lottery level picks, a borderline allstar, and an unprotected first, what is his value at 29 after playing on an elite team for three seasons?

It’s probably still going to be around 1-2 lottery picks, a borderline all star, and an unprotected first round pick.

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no

also, we kind of screwed up the market. if you're putting Beal up in this rarefied air and claimign he's better than PG13 and bestbrook, then why would he go for significantly less?

this is going to be very expensive and it's not going to have this fortunate net cost. we'd be renting him for 2 years or burdening ourselves with a bad contract after 2 years (for an aging player)

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Beal the offensive 4th option in year one? The second best scorer in the league? Behind a hypothetical situation we keep every big player?

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i split jrue/ball

other than 20, what year has beal had on par with Ingram in 20? we have tons of data and i don't think he's ever been as good as Ingram was this year (until this year which is clearly an outlier).

then there is zion

so beal would be 3rd banana at best

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Ragging on a guys shooting who like Harden gets blanket defensive coverage and double teams but shoots the three more efficiently than him today and at that age.

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Beal's reputation is that of a shooter. Harden's is not

Beal has always had this rep of being a sharpshooting guard and he's simply never been elite at shooting, contrary to his rep

Beal has only had TWO years over 25 ppg. Harden has 8 (in a row)

Beal has never had a 25 PER. Harden has had 6 (in a row)

Beal isn't in Harden's universe nor does he have the same type of play

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the 3 way for jrue to gsw and lakers 2021 to wiz in which wiggins goes to wiz along with gsw 2nd rounder 2020 is not too expensive.

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no it's not and it's almost assuredly not an option

i expect the Wiz will want a PG/Westbrook type deal, b/c that's the market (AD, PG, Westbrook)

Can someone please explain to me why the Wiz would be interested in a deal centered around 30 year old Jrue Holiday?

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Can someone please explain to me why the Wiz would be interested in a deal centered around 30 year old Jrue Holiday?

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They wouldn't be interested in Jrue. A trade where we give up Jrue and get Beal would obviously have to involve a 3rd team, who would want him.

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Forget whether or not Beal is much better than Jrue (I don't think that he is), Beal is a volume shot kind of guy that can hinder the progression of Zion and Ingram Jrue is just a better fit.

Do you want Ingram and Zion on this team 7 years from now? Are they better at that point if they have 5 years of Jrue working with them, or 7 years of Beal?

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Thank you