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re: Rumors online is Dearron Fox will like to be traded to NOLA

Posted on 1/16/22 at 6:50 am to
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 6:50 am to
I try to be pragmatic and look at this from the Kings POV. How can they reset or retool to become a competitive team. If I'm them, the pieces I want to keep and build around are Haliburton and Mitchell. Holmes is ok, but nothing special. I'd want to bottom out this year (get a top 3 pick). That means they can move Bagley, Heild, Fox and Barnes to gain more assets.

Weirdly Barnes might actually have the most value right now. Shorter deal, best defender and positional need league wide.

I just don't see what we have that they would want (that we would be willing to give up). I believe Jones or Murphy might intrigue them. But is it enough to pull Fox? I just believe they can get more elsewhere.

If I were them, I'd go after Jaylen Brown. Put together a huge offer built around Fox. Celtics are floundering and need to make a change. They have the pieces to make that work..
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 7:21 am to
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I just don't see what we have that they would want


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I'd want to bottom out this year



We have a number of players who could help them achieve this goal.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14275 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 7:31 am to
Hell, i proposed a trade the other day and got multiple replies saying we were giving up way to much, so apparently we do have the assets needed.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9783 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 7:58 am to
What was the deal?

Honestly, to get it done, at a minimum, we have to offer Val, Hart, Jones or Murphy and a 1st.. I wouldn't like that. But would probably take something like that..
Posted by VA LSU fan
Virginia
Member since Dec 2007
7890 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:07 am to
Zion wants to be traded.

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Can't confirm if true but one of my sources is saying so.

Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14275 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:13 am to
If so, whatever, but the Knicks don't have what it takes to get him unless they get 3-4 other teams involved
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14275 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:14 am to
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Portland: Kira Lewis, 2025 top 10 protected 1st from Milwaukee

Orlando: Marvin Bagley

Pels: De'Aron Fox, Norman Powell, Chimezie Metu

Kings: Tomas Satoransky (buyout), Mo Bamba, Jaxson Hayes, NAW, 2024 Pels 1st, 2024 Milwaukee 1st, 2025 Pels 1st, 2027 Milwaukee 1st (top 4 protection on all picks)



I just don't see anyone else beating that offer, and Sacto gets pieces to evaluate and plenty of draft picks.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:17 am to
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I'd want to bottom out this year (get a top 3 pick).


First off, I like the approach you are taking, too often people never make an honest effort to see a trade from the other team’s perspective and it just leads to ridiculous magical trade ideas where the other side is taking junk for treasure or making moves completely at odds with their stated goals, or selling a player below their market price or what rumored interested parties could offer.

That said, sort of like us, bottoming out is what they should do this season, but their ownership wants to win now, regardless of what most outsiders observe as the futility of that exercise at this stage in the process.

So to me, unless priorities have changed, and so far there are no indicators of that, you would have to attach, or get another team to attach, some established player, or set of players, the Kings think they can win now with.

They are going to want to go into the press conference after the trade deadline and feel confident they can sell their fans and ownership that they are closer today than they were yesterday to the playoffs.

So on our roster it would probably be a selection of: Hart, Jones, Te, or Val. But I can already hear the immediate reactions of “no” for doing that by most fans.

But problem is that with more teams thinking they can get into the playoffs, there’s not as many teams these days just looking to absorb salaries for assets and only looking for future talent. Those teams right now are basically Orlando, Detroit, OKC, and Houston, and none are really loaded with vet win-now talent besides Jerami Grant, who doesn’t really fit for Sac.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:38 am to
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I'd want to bottom out this year (get a top 3 pick).

They've been doing that for like 10 years

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That means they can move Bagley, Heild, Fox and Barnes


Fox: #5 pick
Bagley: #2 pick

It's much more likely that they get guys at/below this talent level in the draft than a superstar
Posted by LesGeaux45
Member since Nov 2009
9232 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:44 am to
Is your source the poster who drove Zion’s Uber? If so we in business
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27218 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:58 am to
What does his contract look like?

That would be the determining factor for me.

I wouldn't give up anything crazy for him. At this point I'd hold if you have to give up graham and hart
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110828 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:08 am to
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What does his contract look like?
The next 4 years he'll make $30 mil then 32/34/37.
Posted by TechTiger
Running an easy 10
Member since Feb 2007
1355 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:09 am to
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What does his contract look like?


He’s on a max deal similar to Ingram

He might not be ideal from a shooting perspective, but he possesses everything else we are lacking in a lead guard role. He can facilitate, handle the ball, and most importantly…drive to the rim and finish.

If we are worried about the fit and price…I’m not sure how many better options are realistically available.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61489 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:20 am to
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If we are worried about the fit and price…I’m not sure how many better options are realistically available.


I don't get the hesitation at all because:

* If they draft someone they will take years to develop even if you're lucky enough to get the right player
* They tried FA and nobody wanted to come here even on an overpay
* Even stop gaps like Rubio are pretty limited in their availability.
* There are only a handful of players that have what the Pels need and are somewhat available. Fox, Dejounte Murray and SGA are that short list. OKC wants something we likely won't ever have again, a top 3 pick which leaves you with picking between Fox and Murray.

Is a lead guard the missing piece? If so how do you get one? The answer seems to be trade for Fox or Murray.

I'm not advocating overpaying just to overpay, but if you can manage to get a lead guard and keep Herb/BI/Zion/JV it almost doesn't matter what else you give up. You can fill in the rest later.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22096 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:31 am to
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* There are only a handful of players that have what the Pels need and are somewhat available. Fox, Dejounte Murray and SGA are that short list. OKC wants something we likely won't ever have again, a top 3 pick which leaves you with picking between Fox and Murray.

Is a lead guard the missing piece? If so how do you get one? The answer seems to be trade for Fox or Murray.
Is there talk that Murray is actually available? If so, he has to be the choice if its between him and Fox. He's looks to be on the verge of superstardom right now.
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1646 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:33 am to
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It's much more likely that they get guys at/below this talent level in the draft than a superstar


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Fox: #5 pick


Agree

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Bagley: #2 pick


Disagree.

Bottoming out worked for them, they just blew it with the Bagley pick, but the people who made that decision aren’t there anymore. Considering that Doncic, JJJ, and Young were the next three picks combined with the trashing of the selection the moments it was made, I could see the new regime looking at it as if they haven’t had their chance to tank yet. I think they have a decent shot to convince Ranadive the same.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61489 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:35 am to
I remember seeing some chatter in the offseason, but it was probably speculative based on the Spurs being stuck in nba purgatory.
Posted by TechTiger
Running an easy 10
Member since Feb 2007
1355 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:27 pm to
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I remember seeing some chatter in the offseason, but it was probably speculative based on the Spurs being stuck in nba purgatory.


I don’t think the Spurs have any incentive to trade him unless it’s for a franchise building block. He is on a cheap deal for his skill set.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8807 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 1:43 pm to
It’ll probably cost more than what he’s worth. We really just need to find a pg like van vleet. Play some good defense, knock down threes and has ability to drive. Not elite but above average at all three. They just not available at this time.
Posted by kadillak
Member since Nov 2007
7641 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:29 pm to
I wouldn't mind making a run at Collin Sexton coming off his injury even though he's going to get paid this summer.
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