re: Rumors online is Dearron Fox will like to be traded to NOLA

Fox steps in immediately can run the offense effectively.

Everyone is worried about his shot and what not and I understand the sentiments behind this, but this guy can drive and kick at an elite level. Which is exactly what we need.

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Fox steps in immediately can run the offense effectively.

Everyone is worried about his shot and what not and I understand the sentiments behind this, but this guy can drive and kick at an elite level. Which is exactly what we need.

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For me the key is contrasting him with a shooter.

I know people hate to discuss/hear it, but Lonzo, or a Lonzo-like player would be perfect.

Hopefully Herb can up his shooting volume without losing too much efficiency(im skeptical of trusting his low sample size too much, but I'm hopeful working with Fred consistently will keep him on the right track), but that is the ideal contrast you need with Fox, which is a high 3p volume 3 and D wing that can guard up and down positions.

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For me the key is contrasting him with a shooter.

I know people hate to discuss/hear it, but Lonzo, or a Lonzo-like player would be perfect.

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Give some options, then. I just listed most of the potential guys. Lonzo isn't an option b/c he didn't want to be here.

Everyone agrees we need a point, but the options at point just aren't very strong or likely.

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Lonzo isn't an option b/c he didn't want to be here.

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Except that he said differently. He did not want to be here only when Griffin decided he did not want to pay him. Griffin is one mistake after another. His move to pass on Garland for NAW and Hayes will haunt this team for a long time.

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I want to believe Willie's "make the simple play" philosophy would correct some of Fox's shot selection issues, but then I think about how Nickeil hasn't changed a bit.

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Has he not changed b/c of NAW, or are they still asking him to be the bench spark and get shots off?

And we'll see if it's a trend, but in his first 34 games this year he average 14 FGA, and only had 3 games where he took single digit FGA. Last 7 games he's taken an average of 8 FGA, and only one game where he had 10 shot attempts. His minutes have reduced in that time frame, but the troubling part is when he took 14 shots, he averaage right under 14ppg, and now he's taking 8 shots, and he's averaging 8ppg. His inefficiency is consistent.

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Except that he said differently

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Wasn't that the previous offseason?

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He did not want to be here only when Griffin decided he did not want to pay him

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I imagine this board would have flipped if we paid Zo nearly $20mil before last season. Hell, the board is still divided on whether he's worth $20mil right now.

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His move to pass on Garland for NAW and Hayes will haunt this team for a long time.

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This is true

The guys you do everything possible to keep in trade talks are :
BI, Zion , Jonas , and Herb .

Everyone else is available , period .

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The guys you do everything possible to keep in trade talks are :
BI, Zion , Jonas , and Herb .

Everyone else is available , period .

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I agree with this but in the end, I'd probably live with having to add JV to the deal if it meant keeping a couple of youngsters/picks. But like you said, do everything possible to not give him up.

The other 3 are just completely unavailable to even discuss IMO.

As much as we love Herb, if he's the deal-breaker to add SGA to Ingram and Zion core, that's hard to say no to. But yea, I would definitely offer 1-3 more picks in place of Herb if possible.

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Give some options, then. I just listed most of the potential guys. Lonzo isn't an option b/c he didn't want to be here.

Everyone agrees we need a point, but the options at point just aren't very strong or likely.

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To me there are multiple directions we could potentially add that player, I already listed you one: internal development of Herb.

That is the ideal one because Herb is pretty much too good to put on the bench but isn't quite the ideal offensive wing next to a BI/Fox/Zion/Val unit...yet.

Hart would be another but at this point I think the idea of his jumper improving isn't gonna happen.

Beyond that you are looking to either the draft, FA, or trade.

The draft, Ivey or Mathurin(although he's cooled off recently so my skepticism on his earlier praise as this years mechanically best shooter is cooling) are who I see as that guy. Bigger guards that are great defenders and can shoot and score effectively. Hardy is another one you could take a flyer on. AJ Griffin maybe as well.

Trades and free agency are more complicated because the money Fox would need plus the assets makes it difficult to know what we would have left over to spend. To me though I'd be looking at under the radar guys that have improved like Max Strus. good size and 40%+ from three on very high volume, from a good development pipeline in Miami, has improved as a defender, and Heat probably cant/wont be able to justify keeping him, and he's also of the type of player that you don't have to feel obligated to start if other guys outplay him, like Herb. Averaged 17-4-2 as a starter, 42% from three, so he can potentially take on a bigger role without losing effectiveness.