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All good things come to an end...
Posted by kadillak on 3/14/22 at 11:35 am
This may end up a little long winded, and nobody may care, but here goes…
As a 30-year-old basketball fan, it’s been a deflating few days that has completely shifted my priorities. While I obviously enjoyed witnessing LSU football’s national titles and the Saints Super Bowl victory, my favorite Louisiana sports moment was Garrett Temple making JJ Redick cry as we pulled off the impossible Duke upset. And though I was a student with 3 years of football season tickets including the almost-perfect 2011 season, my favorite LSU atmosphere was undoubtedly the basketball season finale blowout against Vanderbilt.
As a student, I attended every basketball game that I could between school and work even though LSU, and to a larger extent the entire SEC, was such an abysmal product it could hardly be called basketball at times. After I graduated, me and my buddy got season tickets starting the 2014-2015 season. It was hard to watch, but it was still basketball even as apathetic as Trent Johnson and Johnny Jones were on the sidelines. Our tickets were in the upper bowl, but the event staff would always ask us to move down to the lowers so the stands wouldn’t look so pathetic on TV. LSU basketball was so freaking bad that I distinctly remember a prominent former player and friend of my buddy sitting across the aisle from us, turn to us, say “I can’t watch this s*** anymore”, and exit the arena after the first media timeout in the second half of a game in Jones’ last season. Few people cared about LSU basketball and even the passionate basketball could hardly stand to watch it.
Then came the Will Wade era. I’m not going to sit here and pretend like he was a perfect coach or that he wasn’t sloppy in what he did. But, he was a darn good coach with a very promising future here that LSU was lucky to have. I strongly believe he was on track to becoming an elite coach as he had figured out how to construct elite offensive and defensive teams and was learning to balance his roster in future seasons. Beyond that, he brought a sustained energy to the program that made even the most casual family members and friends of ours actually start following and attending games. Shoot, he turned my then-fiancé into a basketball fan who could name each player on the team and knew their strengths and weaknesses :lol: . And when I thought we would have to give our season tickets up to pay for wedding expenses, house, etc., she surprised me with ticket renewals as part of her wedding gift to me/us. Finally, we had a consistently successful and exciting basketball team to follow in this state for the first time in my lifetime. I’d gone from digging my face into my palms watching a tuba player try to be a D1 center to now being excited for how far this program could climb and what arena upgrades we would make to compete with the arena atmosphere of the big dogs.
The thing that stings is not that the Will Wade era ended, but how it ended. I’m not going to sit here and debate it because you’re not going to change my mind and I’m not going to change yours. But this is The Rant, so I’m going to rant and get it off my chest. At the end of the day, Will Wade’s biggest crime was paying teenagers to play basketball. That’s it. Everyone knows every program does this, they just do it “cleaner.” People are more upset at the method and paper trail he left than the actual crime itself. Yeah, it was stupid, but forgive me for not being very upset that he paid college athletes to play a sport – something everyone knows was happening anyway just probably from backdoor methods instead. Antiquated beliefs from the NCAA and the media have long created this negative perception about paying athletes that has conditioned public opinion to be up in arms about this, yet here we are in 2022 when what Wade did is essentially completely legal as head coaches choose who they want to pay and have companies fund the roster. If Wade stole money from some kind of foundation or something to pay players, ok yeah, I’d be mad, but he didn’t. Again, when people are more upset about the method than the crime itself, we are living in a stranger than fiction world.
I reflect on the bigger picture where the NCAA, LSU/Woodward, and media will hand out penalties and firings in the name of “upholding the integrity of the sport and university.” Is Verge Ausberry still being employed by LSU after covering up rape living up to that billing? Why has the media pushed harder on Will Wade than Gonzaga and Mark Few after he was only suspended one game for putting other peoples’ lives at danger by driving under the influence? I honestly don’t care what Bruce Pearl did, but he’s not treated the same way as Wade was despite committing penalties at two different SEC programs and spare me the “oh it was the assistant so it’s different” nonsense pretending that the way the NCAA and media spins that is ok. And Pat Forde can get away with absolutely despicable takes about how Wade is a racist coach because he cost people jobs and money by beating them in a “cheating” manner when those coaches do the same thing and ignore that Wade directly paid black athletes, gave them opportunities, and developed many of them into professionals. It took hard work from the individual athletes, but it also took Wade and his staff’s development of Skylar Mays, Javonte Smart, Trendon Watford, and Tremont Waters into NBA players. He identified and developed Tari Eason as an under the radar transfer to a potential NBA lottery pick. Very oppressive of Will Wade. Again, the guy paid teenagers to play basketball and is a devil, but covering up rape and driving under the influence of alcohol is quickly forgiven and forgotten. The punishment doesn’t match the crime.
I’m well aware that these are my opinions and you all can find faults in them one way or another, but for someone who has invested money, a lot of time, and emotion into a program for it to all come crashing down this way just will never sit right with me. These last couple of days have taught me a lot and I simply can’t bring myself to care any longer about this program. I’ve tolerated a lot of the unfair practices because basketball was a fun outlet for me, but when the realities of an inconsistent and corrupt world trickle into it, it’s no longer a fun hobby for me. It sucks because there’s a lot of memories with my wife and friends in the PMAC, and maybe we will eventually return to introduce a future kid to my favorite sport if we are still living in this state, but this is no longer for me, and my wife will probably be happier because I give the refs, opposing players, and Nate Oats more hell watching on TV than Will Wade did on the sidelines. :lol: There are too many other blessings and memories to take hold of than to invest in this.
Thanks for attending my Ted Talk and thank you to tGeneral for the memories and creating so many new followers of a once-dead program. It was fun debating and sharing basketball experiences with you all.
As a 30-year-old basketball fan, it’s been a deflating few days that has completely shifted my priorities. While I obviously enjoyed witnessing LSU football’s national titles and the Saints Super Bowl victory, my favorite Louisiana sports moment was Garrett Temple making JJ Redick cry as we pulled off the impossible Duke upset. And though I was a student with 3 years of football season tickets including the almost-perfect 2011 season, my favorite LSU atmosphere was undoubtedly the basketball season finale blowout against Vanderbilt.
As a student, I attended every basketball game that I could between school and work even though LSU, and to a larger extent the entire SEC, was such an abysmal product it could hardly be called basketball at times. After I graduated, me and my buddy got season tickets starting the 2014-2015 season. It was hard to watch, but it was still basketball even as apathetic as Trent Johnson and Johnny Jones were on the sidelines. Our tickets were in the upper bowl, but the event staff would always ask us to move down to the lowers so the stands wouldn’t look so pathetic on TV. LSU basketball was so freaking bad that I distinctly remember a prominent former player and friend of my buddy sitting across the aisle from us, turn to us, say “I can’t watch this s*** anymore”, and exit the arena after the first media timeout in the second half of a game in Jones’ last season. Few people cared about LSU basketball and even the passionate basketball could hardly stand to watch it.
Then came the Will Wade era. I’m not going to sit here and pretend like he was a perfect coach or that he wasn’t sloppy in what he did. But, he was a darn good coach with a very promising future here that LSU was lucky to have. I strongly believe he was on track to becoming an elite coach as he had figured out how to construct elite offensive and defensive teams and was learning to balance his roster in future seasons. Beyond that, he brought a sustained energy to the program that made even the most casual family members and friends of ours actually start following and attending games. Shoot, he turned my then-fiancé into a basketball fan who could name each player on the team and knew their strengths and weaknesses :lol: . And when I thought we would have to give our season tickets up to pay for wedding expenses, house, etc., she surprised me with ticket renewals as part of her wedding gift to me/us. Finally, we had a consistently successful and exciting basketball team to follow in this state for the first time in my lifetime. I’d gone from digging my face into my palms watching a tuba player try to be a D1 center to now being excited for how far this program could climb and what arena upgrades we would make to compete with the arena atmosphere of the big dogs.
The thing that stings is not that the Will Wade era ended, but how it ended. I’m not going to sit here and debate it because you’re not going to change my mind and I’m not going to change yours. But this is The Rant, so I’m going to rant and get it off my chest. At the end of the day, Will Wade’s biggest crime was paying teenagers to play basketball. That’s it. Everyone knows every program does this, they just do it “cleaner.” People are more upset at the method and paper trail he left than the actual crime itself. Yeah, it was stupid, but forgive me for not being very upset that he paid college athletes to play a sport – something everyone knows was happening anyway just probably from backdoor methods instead. Antiquated beliefs from the NCAA and the media have long created this negative perception about paying athletes that has conditioned public opinion to be up in arms about this, yet here we are in 2022 when what Wade did is essentially completely legal as head coaches choose who they want to pay and have companies fund the roster. If Wade stole money from some kind of foundation or something to pay players, ok yeah, I’d be mad, but he didn’t. Again, when people are more upset about the method than the crime itself, we are living in a stranger than fiction world.
I reflect on the bigger picture where the NCAA, LSU/Woodward, and media will hand out penalties and firings in the name of “upholding the integrity of the sport and university.” Is Verge Ausberry still being employed by LSU after covering up rape living up to that billing? Why has the media pushed harder on Will Wade than Gonzaga and Mark Few after he was only suspended one game for putting other peoples’ lives at danger by driving under the influence? I honestly don’t care what Bruce Pearl did, but he’s not treated the same way as Wade was despite committing penalties at two different SEC programs and spare me the “oh it was the assistant so it’s different” nonsense pretending that the way the NCAA and media spins that is ok. And Pat Forde can get away with absolutely despicable takes about how Wade is a racist coach because he cost people jobs and money by beating them in a “cheating” manner when those coaches do the same thing and ignore that Wade directly paid black athletes, gave them opportunities, and developed many of them into professionals. It took hard work from the individual athletes, but it also took Wade and his staff’s development of Skylar Mays, Javonte Smart, Trendon Watford, and Tremont Waters into NBA players. He identified and developed Tari Eason as an under the radar transfer to a potential NBA lottery pick. Very oppressive of Will Wade. Again, the guy paid teenagers to play basketball and is a devil, but covering up rape and driving under the influence of alcohol is quickly forgiven and forgotten. The punishment doesn’t match the crime.
I’m well aware that these are my opinions and you all can find faults in them one way or another, but for someone who has invested money, a lot of time, and emotion into a program for it to all come crashing down this way just will never sit right with me. These last couple of days have taught me a lot and I simply can’t bring myself to care any longer about this program. I’ve tolerated a lot of the unfair practices because basketball was a fun outlet for me, but when the realities of an inconsistent and corrupt world trickle into it, it’s no longer a fun hobby for me. It sucks because there’s a lot of memories with my wife and friends in the PMAC, and maybe we will eventually return to introduce a future kid to my favorite sport if we are still living in this state, but this is no longer for me, and my wife will probably be happier because I give the refs, opposing players, and Nate Oats more hell watching on TV than Will Wade did on the sidelines. :lol: There are too many other blessings and memories to take hold of than to invest in this.
Thanks for attending my Ted Talk and thank you to tGeneral for the memories and creating so many new followers of a once-dead program. It was fun debating and sharing basketball experiences with you all.
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Wants the programs clean.
Hilarious. Woodward will talk out of one side of his mouth about how important it is was to fire Will Wade to uphold the integrity of the program and university when at the end of the day his worst crime was giving teenagers money to play basketball. Out of the other side of his mouth, he still employs Verge Ausberry who covered up rape which actually, you know, ruined womens' lives. Woodward only cares about his people. He fits right in with all of Louisiana politicians and leaders who are buddy, buddy and are trusted by the general public because he's "one of us."
re: Will LSU be in the tournament?
Posted by kadillak on 3/12/22 at 8:04 pm to chinesebandit76
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If you think the NCAA is going to impose a multi year post season ban, and you have a chance to serve the first one now, you do it.
No. The players who are already here should not be penalized. Players can avoid this program if the penalties are in the future. The kids come first.
re: Cullota Mentions In Twitter Space of Possible Self-Ban
Posted by kadillak on 3/12/22 at 2:15 pm to TigerFan91
The only player here was Darius Days. I don't want to see another tweet about how LSU cares about its athletes if you cut their season short and take away their opportunities for their collegiate career and in front of potential scouts. Self banning is a ludicrous decision that won't affect this program's penalties one way or another.
re: Letter From Tate & Woodward
Posted by kadillak on 3/12/22 at 2:07 pm to Hat Tricks
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Throughout that time, the University and its men’s basketball program have operated under an exhausting shroud of negativity
That amazingly continued to win and have an energy around the program that it hasn't had in a very long time. This is a cop out because Wade is the smartest man in the room and knows how to build a winning program far beyond Woodward's own capabilities and isn't afraid to let the press know that LSU as an athletics program is WAY behind on the times on facilities and hasn't improved one bit since Woodward got here. Woodward and this "leadership" is a farce.
Will never attend an LSU basketball game. Woodward can get lost.
re: Can we get some clarification regarding the program?
Posted by kadillak on 3/11/22 at 7:14 pm to crowbar832001
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Smart and Watford are you smoking crack? That is my two main examples of Wade not developing players.
Holy smokes :lol:
re: Gaines is not very good.
Posted by kadillak on 3/11/22 at 7:02 pm to Tiger Nation 84
Gaines is probably in the top handful of defensive guards in the country. His athleticism and instincts on that end of the floor are elite and it's not debatable. He's got work to do on offense still, but he's made a good jump on the end already. If he can learn to change speeds and play under control more often, he's going to be a great great player for us his junior and perhaps senior year.
Your best player having 8 points and 1 rebound in 23 minutes is the bigger problem. We have gotten destroyed on the boards.
re: LSU 67 @ Arkansas 79 Final
Posted by kadillak on 3/11/22 at 3:33 pm to La Place Mike
Pinson and Eason are 2/12 and have combined for 4 assists to 4 turnovers. Eason has 1 rebound in 21 minutes. Just not acceptable performances from 2/3 of your leaders.
re: LSU 67 @ Arkansas 79 Final
Posted by kadillak on 3/11/22 at 3:06 pm to shaquilleoatmeal
Reid and Gaines the only players with positive +/- right now :lol:
unnatural shooting motion
re: LSU 67 @ Arkansas 79 Final
Posted by kadillak on 3/11/22 at 2:39 pm to RightWingTiger
I feel sorry for Eason at halftime. Wade pulled him for missing a board yesterday and he's on him again for his effort. He needs to lock in for us to win this game.
re: LSU 67 @ Arkansas 79 Final
Posted by kadillak on 3/11/22 at 2:17 pm to La Place Mike
14 total fouls already. Absolutely no flow to this basketball game. It's not a good product.
re: Official SECT Bracket: LSU vs Missouri Thursday approx 2:15
Posted by kadillak on 3/10/22 at 1:25 pm to 3rdPart Tiger
40 fouls in regulation. In comparison, there were 26 in the Duke/Cuse game. This is every Pat Adams game. He's an absolute joke.
re: Official SECT Bracket: LSU vs Missouri Thursday approx 2:15
Posted by kadillak on 3/10/22 at 1:18 pm to extremelsu
Was wondering why this game was taking so long then I saw Pat Adams is officiating the game. The SEC needs to get him out of this league yesterday.
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He hasn't fouled out of every game in SEC play. But he's only played 30+ in 3 SEC games this season: Game 1 vs. Tennessee (24 points, 12 rebounds); @ Alabama (26 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks, 2 steals); Ole Miss (16 points, 5 rebounds).
Yes, there is NO QUESTION, foul issues have hurt. But I don't know if most LSU fans realize just how much of an efficiency monster this guy has been...on both ends of the floor. I think you could make a very strong argument his is the best all around player Wade has ever had at LSU. If/when he gets in foul trouble you have to adjust. But on nights where he isn't he's just too damn good to have him unnecessarily spend anywhere from 4-6 minutes on the bench.
For a little bit of a comparison, Eason is averaging 1 more foul per game (in SEC play) than Trendon Watford did last season. Yet, Watford played 35 mpg. Naturally, the fouls are going to keep Eason's minutes lower than that. But 10 minutes per game lower seems unnecessary.
For sure, the more minutes Eason plays, the better chance we have at winning. The games you listed pretty much fall in line with his and the other starters' season averages though. I *think* Wade is being very careful about minutes this season and it has cost us a few games. I believe he's trying to correct (maybe overcorrect) how worn down we were at the end of the season and end of games last year with Cam, Smart, Wat all at 35 MPG last year which wasn't ideal.
Looking at the minutes distribution in the SEC, LSU's starters (which I count Eason as) fall in line with Auburn, Tennessee, and Kentucky's guys when you factor in injuries. Arkansas has leaned on their starters heaviest this year.
Maybe it's a glaring mistake by Wade that cost us a slightly higher seed for no reason or maybe he's playing the long game and hoping fresher legs this year will push us further in March.
Yeah, Tari is 43% from 3 in conference play. Wade said that Tari was a much better shooter than he had shown early in the season and he was right.
re: LSU’s opponents routinely go the first 10 minutes of game without getting called for fouls
Posted by kadillak on 3/3/22 at 9:55 am to Choupique19
I laughed when they marveled at how Arkansas was "playing great defense without fouling" because those words are muttered about almost every LSU opponent. Going 10 minutes without a single foul is not possible. There was a game recently where it was 15 minutes without a foul. Even if your defense is stacked with all-defense caliber players, with perfect technique, rotation, etc., you are going to mess up and foul. There will be a moving screen, someone will fly over a box out, someone will grab a jersey running through a screen, etc. It's not IF, but WHEN. Then you have the opposite end of the spectrum where there was 40 fouls called last night in 40 minutes of action. College basketball officiating leaves a lot to be desired, to put it nicely.
re: Eason will be a top 10 pick
Posted by kadillak on 3/3/22 at 9:47 am to UnluckyTiger
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Chet, Ivey, Jabari, Johnny Davis, Keegan, Sharpe, and Banchero and maybe TyTy but he’s made of glass. Those are the only players I can realistically see going ahead of Eason.
Yeah, don't see him passing up Chet, Banchero, Jabari, Ivey, Davis, Sharpe, Griffin. I think Tari could fall anywhere after that but that next group is large and will come down to workouts, interviews, philosophy: Murray, Tari, Sochan, K Brown, TyTy, Mathurin, Duren, Baldwin, Marjon, Jovic, plus or minus a couple of risers and fallers. So basically anywhere from 8 on back.
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