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re: Rumors online is Dearron Fox will like to be traded to NOLA
Posted on 1/17/22 at 6:22 pm to Bronc
Posted on 1/17/22 at 6:22 pm to Bronc
Part of the Pels problem is that offense has to be manufactured too often. Put simply , we do not have enough snoring talent w/o Zion . This leads to Hiys like graham taking inefficient shots bc the shots have to come from somewhere .
Fox immediately helps this problem . A guy who can break down the defense in the half court makes everyone’s life easier .
I don’t see fox as a risk at all . He’s a good player . Someone already mentioned it . . . You have to add talent any way that you can , and trades are the the only place for the Pels to do that for a sure thing .
Fox immediately helps this problem . A guy who can break down the defense in the half court makes everyone’s life easier .
I don’t see fox as a risk at all . He’s a good player . Someone already mentioned it . . . You have to add talent any way that you can , and trades are the the only place for the Pels to do that for a sure thing .
This post was edited on 1/17/22 at 6:23 pm
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 6:26 pm to brmark70816
Just spitballing here, but I wonder if we could get Fox by only giving up 2 1st rounders.
The key to do that would be Detroit. Philly has said they would trade Ben for Grant, if we could get Grant away from Detroit, send him to Philly, Simmons to Sacto, Fox to Pels.
I don't know if 2 1sts gets Grant from Detroit though.
The key to do that would be Detroit. Philly has said they would trade Ben for Grant, if we could get Grant away from Detroit, send him to Philly, Simmons to Sacto, Fox to Pels.
I don't know if 2 1sts gets Grant from Detroit though.
Posted on 1/17/22 at 6:38 pm to Soggymoss
Maybe a three-team with SAC and Indiana. SAC gets Turner, we get Fox, have to give maybe two wings (not Herb), Sato (expiring), and two picks.
This post was edited on 1/17/22 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:35 am to AboveTheRim
Good point.
I do think this team needs a true point guard and has for years.
I do think this team needs a true point guard and has for years.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:44 am to Chalkywhite84
We need a good point guard who can break defenses down by himself, play defense, lead, and shoot 3s well.
The problem is that these guys are rare and very difficult to acquire. That's why Griffin put all his eggs in the Lowry/Paul basket this offseason (and we couldn't sniff either).
That's why when people shite on options like Fox you have to ask: who else is better that we could actually acquire?
Fox clearly isn't perfect (although maybe, as posted earlier, if he did a Zo-like development he could become serviceable shooting), but he does a lot of things we do need very well. Is he a better option than a better shooter who can't run an offense or break down a defense? We'll have to choose between the 2 at some point.
The problem is that these guys are rare and very difficult to acquire. That's why Griffin put all his eggs in the Lowry/Paul basket this offseason (and we couldn't sniff either).
That's why when people shite on options like Fox you have to ask: who else is better that we could actually acquire?
Fox clearly isn't perfect (although maybe, as posted earlier, if he did a Zo-like development he could become serviceable shooting), but he does a lot of things we do need very well. Is he a better option than a better shooter who can't run an offense or break down a defense? We'll have to choose between the 2 at some point.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
Would Fox and Zion shooting poorly together from range be something we could swallow?
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:49 am to Ryan3232
We're never going to have a perfect team. Thats the issue
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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Is he a better option than a better shooter who can't run an offense or break down a defense? We'll have to choose between the 2 at some point.
We already have a poor man's version of that shooter in Graham. Swap Graham for Buddy, is the team significantly better? I think it's better, but not by much.
We don't even have a homeless man's version of a real PG unless you count Alvarado. Kira was supposed to be at least serviceable, and he could have been trending that direction, but then he tore up his knee. They've been looking for that player since CP3 left. Brief stints by Ish Smith and Rondo are the closest they've come.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:11 am to TigerinATL
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Brief stints by Ish Smith and Rondo are the closest they've come.
You better put some respect on the General's name!
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:16 am to TigerinATL
Yeah my bigger point was just that we don't really have the ability to get that perfect point guard who can do all the things. We are going to have to pick which deficiency is OK and then decide on the cost we're willing to pay.
The only theoretical option at this point would be Lillard, but (a) I don't think he's available and (b) after this year, he's clearly a huge risk for that cost. My main argument about a guy like Fox is that I don't think his value is really in danger of tanking so he's an asset.
Sure, if SGA is available I'd prefer him, but I don't think he is. He'll also cost astronomically more. Same with Murray.
Who else fits this theoretical need for ballhandling, shooting, etc.? Brogdon? FVV?
So our options are:
Older but have all the qualities:
Lillard
Brodgon
FVV
Younger but will cost the world:
SGA
Murray
Or we can go with a guy like Fox who is young, not perfect, but will cost a lot less than SGA (probably less than FVV or Brogdon)
The only theoretical option at this point would be Lillard, but (a) I don't think he's available and (b) after this year, he's clearly a huge risk for that cost. My main argument about a guy like Fox is that I don't think his value is really in danger of tanking so he's an asset.
Sure, if SGA is available I'd prefer him, but I don't think he is. He'll also cost astronomically more. Same with Murray.
Who else fits this theoretical need for ballhandling, shooting, etc.? Brogdon? FVV?
So our options are:
Older but have all the qualities:
Lillard
Brodgon
FVV
Younger but will cost the world:
SGA
Murray
Or we can go with a guy like Fox who is young, not perfect, but will cost a lot less than SGA (probably less than FVV or Brogdon)
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm going to repost what i had said about Fox in another thread, just as an FYI about his shooting. and ATL already mentioned it as well in here.
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Fox has a weird trend.
looking at catch and shoot 3's only.
2022 34%
2021 39%
2020 33%
2019 40%
I guess he'll be good again next year from 3.
His pull up 3 game is pretty bad. You'd think maybe playing with Zion and BI that he could be more of a catch and shoot 3 point shooter. He's been taking about twice as many pull up 3's as opposed to catch and shoot 3's in his career. He needs to flip that.
If he could be a near 40% catch and shoot 3 point shooter, limit his pull up 3's, and continue to get to the basket like he has his whole career, he could definitely be the PG we need from an offensive standpoint.
If we ran an offense that was more suitable to him being a driver/facilitator with the ball in his hands, and then off the ball a catch and shoot or pump fake drive to the goal player, then he would do great here.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:06 am to TeddyPadillac
The big flag to me is that you would think, with a guy like Haliburton, that Fox would adjust, just a little bit, in his shot selection, but it's basically remained identical.
It made sense he took a lot of pull ups with Hield and other non-facilitators next to him, but he now has two really solid passers in his rotation and starting next to him....and nothing has changed.
I just think if you get Fox you need to accept that that is more likely than not to continue.
It made sense he took a lot of pull ups with Hield and other non-facilitators next to him, but he now has two really solid passers in his rotation and starting next to him....and nothing has changed.
I just think if you get Fox you need to accept that that is more likely than not to continue.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:13 am to Ryan3232
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Would Fox and Zion shooting poorly together from range be something we could swallow?
It is unlikely we can field a team where Zion is always on the court with four other players who can shoot. Occasionally matchups will favor putting Zion on the floor with someone like Fox.
Hell. I think most matchups would favor Zion and Fox.
Fox, Herb, Ingram, Zion, and Val could be a strong lineup.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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Brogdon
I was driving the Brogdon bandwagon not that long ago, but with his contract extension and his continued injury history, I think we probably need to drop him off the list. He seems like one of those guys who will unfortunately wash out of the league earlier than others because his body just can’t keep up. His offense still looks as good as ever whenever he can actually get on the court, but his defense has been declining quickly in IND. I just don’t know if he fits our timeline anymore.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:18 am to Eman5805
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Fox, Herb, Ingram, Zion, and Val could be a strong lineup.
Could be WCF/Finals starting unit if Herb continues his upward trajectory. I truly believe this.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:22 am to Bronc
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I just think if you get Fox you need to accept that that is more likely than not to continue.
you're probably right, but you have to remember who he was coached by, Walton and Uncle Alroy. Those two idiots probably told him to keep taking those incredibly inefficient pull up 3's.
He's played for a losing team his whole career, with terrible coaching. I have no idea what kind of person Fox is, and if he would be accepting to changing his game. Not to say we are a winning destination, but if he wants to be on a winning team, with two other legit all-stars, then he's going to have to change how he plays if he wants to win.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:25 am to TeddyPadillac
I want to believe Willie's "make the simple play" philosophy would correct some of Fox's shot selection issues, but then I think about how Nickeil hasn't changed a bit. Bronc's right to be concerned, but with Kira not working out, this still seems like the best option available or likely to become available at a price the Pels can afford.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 9:26 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:28 am to 50_Tiger
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Fox, Herb, Ingram, Zion, and Val could be a strong lineup.
Could be WCF/Finals starting unit if Herb continues his upward trajectory. I truly believe this.
unless you walk ball up you will need a bench 3 deep or 4.
walking up not a bad idea if you feed zion in paint.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:30 am to Baron
I also am off the Brogdon train. He's what? 29? With serious, consistent injury histories? May as well go for Lillard if we're paying a premium for an aging, declining point.
If Murray/SGA aren't available, Brogdon and Lillard are too old, then it's down to like...FVV (who isn't on the table and likely isn't going to be) and Fox? There just aren't that many good options.
If Murray/SGA aren't available, Brogdon and Lillard are too old, then it's down to like...FVV (who isn't on the table and likely isn't going to be) and Fox? There just aren't that many good options.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:35 am to CelticDog
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unless you walk ball up you will need a bench 3 deep or 4.
walking up not a bad idea if you feed zion in paint.
No doubt, you have to hope that the starting unit is good enough to get one or two ring chasers.
You also have to hope TM3 develops into a decent bench player.
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