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re: Pels not eager to trade Graham
Posted on 5/11/22 at 11:35 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 5/11/22 at 11:35 am to Fun Bunch
I can definitely see a world where Graham+Jax+future 1st can have decent value.
I'm not saying we can get a superstar. But Graham is 1 year removed from averaging something like 17 and 7 on 38% shooting from 3 on very high volume. I honestly don' see why he can't get back to that with the right team, and that would be on a solid value deal.
Jax is sorta in the same boat but his value being potential value. I don't think any team would give a 1st for him, but it's not like Temple where it's purely salary filler.
Then the future 1st. It's basically 3 sorta ok value type assets IMO, and that could net a $17mil dude who could be of solid value to us. I don't know the market or any off the top of my head, so I'll put that out there, but I think those 2-3 assets aren't THAT bad.
I'm not saying we can get a superstar. But Graham is 1 year removed from averaging something like 17 and 7 on 38% shooting from 3 on very high volume. I honestly don' see why he can't get back to that with the right team, and that would be on a solid value deal.
Jax is sorta in the same boat but his value being potential value. I don't think any team would give a 1st for him, but it's not like Temple where it's purely salary filler.
Then the future 1st. It's basically 3 sorta ok value type assets IMO, and that could net a $17mil dude who could be of solid value to us. I don't know the market or any off the top of my head, so I'll put that out there, but I think those 2-3 assets aren't THAT bad.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 11:38 am
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Posted on 5/11/22 at 11:37 am to shel311
I kinda agree with you.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 11:40 am to shel311
The problem is we don't have room for a $17 million player long term. I'm hoping Graham and Jax can rehab their value enough by the deadline that you can flip them for an expiring and a future 1st.
We've seen 3 rookies contribute in the playoffs for Willie. There's no reason to think that the top 10 pick can't have a season like Trey if we don't go for raw potential. You have your 9 man rotation if that happens.
CJ/Herb/BI/Zion/JV Jose/Trey/Nance/#8 and you still have Naji and Kira who hopefully can provide spot playoff minutes if injury or foul trouble is an issue.
We've seen 3 rookies contribute in the playoffs for Willie. There's no reason to think that the top 10 pick can't have a season like Trey if we don't go for raw potential. You have your 9 man rotation if that happens.
CJ/Herb/BI/Zion/JV Jose/Trey/Nance/#8 and you still have Naji and Kira who hopefully can provide spot playoff minutes if injury or foul trouble is an issue.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 11:41 am to shel311
Will be interesting to see how Griff handles the roster while balancing the salary cap in 23-24. If we keep the draft pick this year (and it stays at 8, we could be less than $3 million from the tax limit with no other changes. The following year, even with dumping Temple's non-guaranteed contract and letting Nance and Hayes walk, we would be within the same amount of the estimated tax limit (unless it significantly increases) with only 12 players as we would have CJ, BI and Zion all making over $30 million. Will be interesting. Likely would require unloading Graham in 23-24 somehow to balance the cap.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 11:42 am
Posted on 5/11/22 at 11:56 am to Soggymoss
I don't really see moves this offseason, other than drafting a player at 8 (or wherever the pick lands). I think the front office wants to see where this team is as constructed with the addition of Zion. Especially if you're talking about moves where they will include future assets.
If a move does need to be made, I think it'll happen at the deadline after they've had a decent sample size of how the team is playing with Zion back.
If a move does need to be made, I think it'll happen at the deadline after they've had a decent sample size of how the team is playing with Zion back.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 12:01 pm to BallHawk
quote:
Graham's contract is very much needed in any move you make to bolster the bench. Hayes too.
What kind of move would that be? Our current bench rotational guys would be:
Backcourt: Alvarado, Lewis, Graham, 1rd pick if top 4?
Front court: Nance, Hayes, Murphy, Naji, 1st rd pick if top 4?
I think our second unit with be Point Zion heavy so if Graham can do well in catch and shoot 3s like it seems he is capable of then he might be a decent fit.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 12:09 pm to STEVED00
We need to remind ourselves we took the #1 seed to 6 games without Williamson , playing 3 rookies in the playoff rotation, and with Nance and CJ coming on board mid way through the season.
This team hasn’t played their best basketball with this roster and we should expect a lot better play with an offseason together.
I don’t see how you bring in another guy and expect that player not to steal minutes from our young guys. We have a very good mix of Youth and Veterans. We just need to add more talent through the draft while we develop and play our young guys.
This team hasn’t played their best basketball with this roster and we should expect a lot better play with an offseason together.
I don’t see how you bring in another guy and expect that player not to steal minutes from our young guys. We have a very good mix of Youth and Veterans. We just need to add more talent through the draft while we develop and play our young guys.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 12:32 pm to Fun Bunch
If he can start hitting his open 3’s with Zion on the court he could be a useful bench piece. Even though he’s small he can technically play both guard positions. Still rather Josh Hart but that just isn’t going to happen.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 12:34 pm to TigerinATL
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The problem is we don't have room for a $17 million player long term.
no we don't.
and we have 14 players under contract for next year, not including our draft pick.
If we keep this top 10 pick, then that player is going to need minutes, and we are already giving minutes to 8 guys, not including DG/Jax/Kira/Naji/Billy. There's no reason to keep DG/Jax/Kira b/c there simply aren't enough minutes to give those 3 guys. The only guys that have value there to move are DG and Jax.
I don't think Jax is going to get many minutes regardless of who we draft. with JV/Zion/Nance, they are going to take the vast majority of the minutes at the 4/5 position, and you'll probably see Trey at the 4 too. If you draft a guard, then that just eats into DG's minutes, so the writing is on the wall to move them both.
Maybe they don't both need to go this offseason, but i think one of them definitely should, and i'd move Jax if i could, hoping you could get something worthwhile in return. Maybe you could send him to Orlando for their two 2nd round picks, which are #32 and #35, and then try to move up to #24 where Milwaukee is at as i'm sure they'd rather the two early 2nds than the late 1st.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:14 pm to TigerinATL
quote:If we contend or are just really good next season, and Gayle doesn't dip into the tax, then we'll never be a legit contender for any stretch of time.
The problem is we don't have room for a $17 million player long term
You don't win without going into the tax.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:19 pm to shel311
quote:
I can definitely see a world where Graham+Jax+future 1st can have decent value
I agree with this and your post but it probably makes more sense at the deadline next year
Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:22 pm to shel311
The Bucks weren't a luxury tax team until after they won and Jrue's $1M bonus kicked in.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:27 pm to Fun Bunch
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So we either go into next year only adding a player in the draft
And Zion.
That's more than fine by me. Keep your picks. Cheap contracts will be extremely important for the Pels moving forward.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
The biggest issue to me is you have 4 guards (McCollum, Graham, Lewis and Alvarado) that can't play with each other for an extended period of time. So how do they all get minutes?
IMO we need to move 1 or two of them and create some space for guys that are better fits. Graham just seems like the obvious choice. I wouldn't give him away right now, in case we have an injury. But I'd be shopping him..
IMO we need to move 1 or two of them and create some space for guys that are better fits. Graham just seems like the obvious choice. I wouldn't give him away right now, in case we have an injury. But I'd be shopping him..
Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:33 pm to brmark70816
quote:agreed. Too many short guards on this team. Like you said 1 or 2 should be moved and get some more length there. Jose and CJ I’d imagine are locks to stay
IMO we need to move 1 or two of them and create some space for guys that are better fits.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:33 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
Pels not eager to trade Graham
This is like the GM giving the vote of confidence to the coach.
In other words, He Gone!
Posted on 5/11/22 at 9:52 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't why everyone see's Jax as such a disposable piece.
His shooting splits are fantastic for someone his size.
He was asked to play a new roll and did pretty darn good at it considering he belongs as the BACK UP.
Y'all would cream your pants if we got someone with Jax's numbers in a trade. We have room for a project, getting rid of Jax would be insane.
I am ok with Devonte on the team if someone would just sit his arse down and tell him he isn't shooting his way back into the starting line up. He needs to take his wide open catch and shoot 3's and be an outlet when the stars are doubled. God, please try to play defense too. I'd hate to pay to trade him away.
His shooting splits are fantastic for someone his size.
He was asked to play a new roll and did pretty darn good at it considering he belongs as the BACK UP.
Y'all would cream your pants if we got someone with Jax's numbers in a trade. We have room for a project, getting rid of Jax would be insane.
I am ok with Devonte on the team if someone would just sit his arse down and tell him he isn't shooting his way back into the starting line up. He needs to take his wide open catch and shoot 3's and be an outlet when the stars are doubled. God, please try to play defense too. I'd hate to pay to trade him away.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 11:35 pm to 504Voodoo
What about Temple, Graham and 2 futures 2nd's for Duncan Robinson?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:33 am to Aussie_Pelican
1. Miami can do better than that.
2. Duncan makes like $50 million over the next three years. If you’re bringing in that size of a contract you had better be sure he can stay on the floor in the playoffs. Maybe his shooting and spacing offsets his bad defense, but it’s too big of a gamble for me.
2. Duncan makes like $50 million over the next three years. If you’re bringing in that size of a contract you had better be sure he can stay on the floor in the playoffs. Maybe his shooting and spacing offsets his bad defense, but it’s too big of a gamble for me.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:10 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:Agree. Not the type of contract this team would take on without shedding some other contracts.
1. Miami can do better than that.
2. Duncan makes like $50 million over the next three years. If you’re bringing in that size of a contract you had better be sure he can stay on the floor in the playoffs. Maybe his shooting and spacing offsets his bad defense, but it’s too big of a gamble for me.
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