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re: Pels not eager to trade Graham
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:59 am to TotesMcGotes
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:59 am to TotesMcGotes
Some of you guys seriously want to bring Robinson in to play 15 minutes a game? Or would you prefer him steal Murphy’s minutes? Maybe steal some from Herb? Or possibly a top 10 rookie guard/wing?
Seems like some of you just want to make trades for the sake of it. It has to make sense on the court and in the locker room.
We finally have the luxury of not blowing assets to make moves. We should pick and choose the right moves. We don’t even know what our ceiling is right now and what kind of needs we have before we go into the draft.
Seems like some of you just want to make trades for the sake of it. It has to make sense on the court and in the locker room.
We finally have the luxury of not blowing assets to make moves. We should pick and choose the right moves. We don’t even know what our ceiling is right now and what kind of needs we have before we go into the draft.
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Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:05 am to supe12sta12z
No no way I’m giving up assets to move Graham after we just gave up #15 overall to have him play for us. His contract was suppose to be undervalued and he’s a good locker room guy. Didn’t the fans love him in Charlotte?
I’m sure he can up his value some by playing with Zion against 2nd teamers.
I’m sure he can up his value some by playing with Zion against 2nd teamers.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:06 am to 50_Tiger
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Let it expire?
18m in Cap Space for 2023-2024 season.
That's not how that works. Just b/c $18M expires doesn't mean you have cap space.
We will have 3 guys making over $30M/yr in 2024. We won't have cap space, and you don't need cap space to extend Zion, or Herb, or Trey.
JV is still on the team in 2024 at $15M, and i'm sure Nance will be as well at probably $10M b/c we are going to extend him too.
to be clear, we aren't signing any FA in the near future unless it's a near minimum deal. I doubt we even use the MLE on anyone anytime soon, not that we have even in the past. We aren't making any big time trades anymore either, so having an expiring contract to go get someone isn't something we are going to care much about. That's what we did to get CJ (that's what i mean by big time, as in large salary top 3 player). We are done now. Our next moves are to add competent role players, and we will do that by the draft and by trade, and we will be pressed right up against the luxury tax every year here on out, if not over it possibly.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:21 am to Soggymoss
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That’s not how this works, we would still be over the cap and wouldn’t gain any cap space.
We're already at $119mil for that season. THere are a few small amounts that are non guaranteed and team options on Kira and Trey.
And that doesn't even count Zion/Jax/Nance. We are going to be an above the cap team, so you're correct in that we won't get cap space, but even though I don't agree with the premise of his deal, it does create flexibility even if over the cap with dealing with getting into the luxury tax. But yea, I wouldn't trade that 1st. You're basically trading a 1st to save something like $11mil on Graham for 23/24, that's just not worth it.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:46 am to NOSHAU
I never said that we should trade for Duncan Robinson or that he is the ideal fit/ contract. I’ve always advocated for Sexton, Brogdon, Oladipo type players that would be 5th-6th in rotation.
I agree with y’all that we shouldn’t trade Graham and Kira for another mediocre 7-9 in rotation.
Hayes, Kira, Graham, and a future 1st can land a good player. If we get rid of Hayes then we can let Murphy/ Herb play some 4 and draft both a PF and C. That frees up space at the PG/ SG for our lottery and whatever player we trade for.
Other than this scenario we should keep Kira and Graham. I just think the emergence of Jose/ Nance makes this realistic.
I agree with y’all that we shouldn’t trade Graham and Kira for another mediocre 7-9 in rotation.
Hayes, Kira, Graham, and a future 1st can land a good player. If we get rid of Hayes then we can let Murphy/ Herb play some 4 and draft both a PF and C. That frees up space at the PG/ SG for our lottery and whatever player we trade for.
Other than this scenario we should keep Kira and Graham. I just think the emergence of Jose/ Nance makes this realistic.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:47 pm to Dantheman504
With the four big salaries we need as many guys as possible in rookie contracts.
Hayes is going to expect starter money in free agency. He is not going to be a starter for NOLA when Zion returns so we can’t really pay that. He needs to be moved for future assets so we can keep bringing in young talent every year to support the starters. Hayes ha some value right now. Let’s get a future 1 for him if possible
Kira needs to show out next year or he is in the same boat.
Herb, Murphy and this years first are the next building blocks. When they have to get paid, you make moves with older guys like JV and CJ. We are fortunate to have a lot of legitimate NBA players with many future draft picks at our disposal. It is a unique opportunity to keep bringing in cheap, young talent and not have to overpay for a guy like Hayes down the road.
Hayes is going to expect starter money in free agency. He is not going to be a starter for NOLA when Zion returns so we can’t really pay that. He needs to be moved for future assets so we can keep bringing in young talent every year to support the starters. Hayes ha some value right now. Let’s get a future 1 for him if possible
Kira needs to show out next year or he is in the same boat.
Herb, Murphy and this years first are the next building blocks. When they have to get paid, you make moves with older guys like JV and CJ. We are fortunate to have a lot of legitimate NBA players with many future draft picks at our disposal. It is a unique opportunity to keep bringing in cheap, young talent and not have to overpay for a guy like Hayes down the road.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:33 pm to LSUBadger
We should draft a PF and C in the 2nd round. Our lottery pick should probably be a PG/SG.
If we trade Hayes we could have:
Zion/Nance/ Draft ( Murphy/ Herb)
Val/ Draft/ Billy.
That rotation doesn’t hurt us at all, saves us about 5 mil, and we would have 2 rookies bigs to scout.
CJ/ Jose / Kira
BI/ Lottery/ Graham
Herb/ Trey/ Temple
If you can take the 3 bolded and add someone that would be behind CJ/ BI in rotation it’s worth it.
If we trade Hayes we could have:
Zion/Nance/ Draft ( Murphy/ Herb)
Val/ Draft/ Billy.
That rotation doesn’t hurt us at all, saves us about 5 mil, and we would have 2 rookies bigs to scout.
CJ/ Jose / Kira
BI/ Lottery/ Graham
Herb/ Trey/ Temple
If you can take the 3 bolded and add someone that would be behind CJ/ BI in rotation it’s worth it.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:39 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Again, it is not just the player, but the salary. Without corresponding moves to reduce salary, we cannot trade 3 roster spots for one roster spot at a higher salary. Other than maybe Oladipo, that is what you would be doing.
I never said that we should trade for Duncan Robinson or that he is the ideal fit/ contract. I’ve always advocated for Sexton, Brogdon, Oladipo type players that would be 5th-6th in rotation.
I agree with y’all that we shouldn’t trade Graham and Kira for another mediocre 7-9 in rotation.
Hayes, Kira, Graham, and a future 1st can land a good player. If we get rid of Hayes then we can let Murphy/ Herb play some 4 and draft both a PF and C. That frees up space at the PG/ SG for our lottery and whatever player we trade for.
Other than this scenario we should keep Kira and Graham. I just think the emergence of Jose/ Nance makes this realistic.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:42 pm to Dantheman504
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We should draft a PF and C in the 2nd round. Our lottery pick should probably be a PG/SG.
We have 14 under contract for next season so we'd have to shed 2 current players if you want to bring in 3 from the draft.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:43 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Think he means draft them and see which one sticks. If so, I agree.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:45 pm to Solo
quote:Would hope the 1st round pick sticks as they are guaranteed.
Think he means draft them and see which one sticks. If so, I agree.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 2:01 pm to NOSHAU
We could trade Hayes and Temple without taking back a contract.
That would be the move to reduce salary. We could use a 2nd we got from them and our 2nd to draft 2 bigs to fill the roster this year.
That would free up 8 mil and then Kira + Graham + random future 1st, swap, or 2nds could do something.
Look obviously we don’t have to do this and we can keep Kira, Graham, etcc and see how it goes. But it’s not impossible and once again idk where Hayes, Kira, Graham fit long term.
It’s really not a bad issue to have right now so no hard feelings with any opinions. I remember the days of our starting 5 being worse than our current 5-10 man rotation.
That would be the move to reduce salary. We could use a 2nd we got from them and our 2nd to draft 2 bigs to fill the roster this year.
That would free up 8 mil and then Kira + Graham + random future 1st, swap, or 2nds could do something.
Look obviously we don’t have to do this and we can keep Kira, Graham, etcc and see how it goes. But it’s not impossible and once again idk where Hayes, Kira, Graham fit long term.
It’s really not a bad issue to have right now so no hard feelings with any opinions. I remember the days of our starting 5 being worse than our current 5-10 man rotation.
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