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re: Pels not eager to trade Graham
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:16 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:16 am to NOSHAU
50 mil over 3 years is 16 mil a year. That’s Graham + Temple. “If you’re bringing in that size of contract”. Even Hayes+ Temple+ Kira is pretty much 16 mil without Grahams contract. I don’t know why people keep acting like we have no money or space. And then act like we are losing valuable assets by trading guys that didn’t play last year.
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Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:20 am to Dantheman504
Kira- didn’t play last year
Temple- no part of the roster
Graham- would be replaced with a better player.
So we would replace Graham with a better player and use cap space from players that didn’t even play last season. What do we lose? I understand the side of fans wanting to see what we have in Kira Lewis. BUT the mentality that we are “losing so much money and space” if we trade Kira with Graham and Temple is fricking hilarious.
Temple- no part of the roster
Graham- would be replaced with a better player.
So we would replace Graham with a better player and use cap space from players that didn’t even play last season. What do we lose? I understand the side of fans wanting to see what we have in Kira Lewis. BUT the mentality that we are “losing so much money and space” if we trade Kira with Graham and Temple is fricking hilarious.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:21 am to Dantheman504
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I don’t know why people keep acting like we have no money or space. And then act like we are losing valuable assets by trading guys that didn’t play last year.
the point the poster you are replying to is making is that robinson didnt/hasnt played in the playoffs either. why trade one for the other when neither helps?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:36 am to cgrand
I don’t disagree. There’s a few players we should trade for before Duncan Robinson. I’m also cool with keeping Graham and Kira honestly.
I just don’t get the emotional attachment to Graham, Kira, Hayes. None of them are in our 8 man rotation and all of them are “replaceable” with our current roster.
If people want to make the argument about the potential of Kira, Hayes, Graham then yeah sure I’ll go along with it. But to say we can’t/ shouldn’t trade those guys because of cap space or rotation is bullshite.
I just don’t get the emotional attachment to Graham, Kira, Hayes. None of them are in our 8 man rotation and all of them are “replaceable” with our current roster.
If people want to make the argument about the potential of Kira, Hayes, Graham then yeah sure I’ll go along with it. But to say we can’t/ shouldn’t trade those guys because of cap space or rotation is bullshite.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:46 am to Soggymoss
I was doing a little digging and I wonder since Myles Turner is an expiring next year are the Pacers wanting to pay him?
We could send GT and Graham over with a nice pick to gain essentially 18 million in cap space for the summer of 03 where extensions will really come into play.
We could send GT and Graham over with a nice pick to gain essentially 18 million in cap space for the summer of 03 where extensions will really come into play.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:58 am to Dantheman504
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I just don’t get the emotional attachment to Graham, Kira, Hayes. None of them are in our 8 man rotation and all of them are “replaceable” with our current roster.
who is arguing otherwise?
those are the guys that need to be replaced
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:05 am to armsdealer
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don't why everyone see's Jax as such a disposable piece.
His shooting splits are fantastic for someone his size.
He was asked to play a new roll and did pretty darn good at it considering he belongs as the BACK UP.
Y'all would cream your pants if we got someone with Jax's numbers in a trade. We have room for a project, getting rid of Jax would be insane.
Then he should bring some nice value in a trade
Or no one cares about “fantastic” shooting splits if 86% of your makes are dunks and layups and you don’t get the line or shoot threes in volume. Or being generally lost on defense
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:16 am to Dantheman504
quote:It's more about the player being brought in for me.
So we would replace Graham with a better player and use cap space from players that didn’t even play last season. What do we lose?
What we'd lose is the opportunity to bring in a player in the $16mil+ price range that can't be played off the floor in the playoffs.
If we get Duncan Robinson for Kira/Temple/Graham and have to sit him for an entire series in the playoffs, I'd ask what do we gain?
Also, if Miami with one of the best defenses in the NBA feels Robinson is too big of a liability on D to play, imagine how much worse it would be for us next season, who won't have an elite defense.
My whole point is I'd gladly move Kira/Graham/Temple but for someone more stable that I'm certain can get on the floor and provide value when it matters.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:18 am to 50_Tiger
quote:What are you doing with Jval?
I was doing a little digging and I wonder since Myles Turner is an expiring next year are the Pacers wanting to pay him?
We could send GT and Graham over with a nice pick to gain essentially 18 million in cap space for the summer of 03 where extensions will really come into play.
Both him and Turner are exclusively centers.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:21 am to shel311
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What are you doing with Jval?
Both him and Turner are exclusively centers.
Im more or less not concerned with the fit, its the expiring to make sure we keep our core together that would be driving this.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:26 am to 50_Tiger
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Im more or less not concerned with the fit
Oh. Ok…
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:29 am to 50_Tiger
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Im more or less not concerned with the fit, its the expiring to make sure we keep our core together that would be driving this.
and what are you going to do with this expiring contract?
why are you wanting it?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:39 am to TeddyPadillac
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and what are you going to do with this expiring contract?
why are you wanting it?
Let it expire?
18m in Cap Space for 2023-2024 season. We will have a lot of extensions to deal with or we can sign darn near a MAX player if we let Jaxson and Kira go too in that time?
Would essentially be 30M coming off the books with the expiring and release of Kira and Jaxson.
Can we not do this?
Edit: Spotrac doesnt say I cant.
LINK
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 10:41 am
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:46 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Our culture is a big deal.
m more or less not concerned with the fit
Just last season, Myles Turner went public with his unhapiness about being a "glorified role player" and that he wanted more.
It would be the makings of a pretty big trainwreck. I think you'd have to look for another dude to try to get that expiring you want.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:48 am to shel311
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Our culture is a big deal.
Just last season, Myles Turner went public with his unhapiness about being a "glorified role player" and that he wanted more.
It would be the makings of a pretty big trainwreck. I think you'd have to look for another dude to try to get that expiring you want.
No doubt I agree 100%
We could always do this deal at the deadline and only have to entertain him for 2 months + Playoffs on a squad thats culture is now very insulated.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:53 am to Dantheman504
Temple has one more guaranteed year. Graham has two more fully guaranteed years and then is partially guaranteed for 24/25. So they’re owed a combined $30 million or so compared to Robinson’s $50 million. The fact that their contracts add up to the same amount for year 1 doesn’t mean they’re the same size contract.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:54 am to Dantheman504
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What do we lose?
Flexibility. Opportunity cost.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:57 am to Dantheman504
quote:Have you looked at the estimated tax/cap for the future (not just next season)? Griffin has to. Graham and Temple are guaranteed next season. Temple is not guaranteed in 23-24 so will likely be dumped. Graham is guaranteed in 23-24 and very lightly guaranteed in 24-25 ($2.8 million). So those contracts come off the cap rather soon (if not traded beforehand). Robinson is fully guranteed all 3 years (including close to $20 million in 24-25). With Zion's extension kicking in in 23-24, we would be looking to reduce salary, not increase it (unless we have decided we are not going to keep Nance and CJ past the end of their contracts and that Robinson becomes a key player for us).
50 mil over 3 years is 16 mil a year. That’s Graham + Temple. “If you’re bringing in that size of contract”. Even Hayes+ Temple+ Kira is pretty much 16 mil without Grahams contract. I don’t know why people keep acting like we have no money or space. And then act like we are losing valuable assets by trading guys that didn’t play last year.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:58 am to 50_Tiger
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18m in Cap Space for 2023-2024 season. We will have a lot of extensions to deal with or we can sign darn near a MAX player
That’s not how this works, we would still be over the cap and wouldn’t gain any cap space.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:58 am to Dantheman504
quote:I don't think people have an emotional attachment to them, but there is a cost to each roster spot and the cap has to be part of the equation.
I just don’t get the emotional attachment to Graham, Kira, Hayes. None of them are in our 8 man rotation and all of them are “replaceable” with our current roster.
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