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re: Pels Free Agency Thread: Scoop says Pels still pursuing Kuminga S&T, pg11
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:41 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:41 pm to Dantheman504
The thing is that Herb is a better fit here than Kuminga. Also you rather pay Herb 15 a year than Kuminga 30 a year. Kuminga can score but he’s a terrible play maker. He needs the ball in his hands to be beneficial. Herb makes the players around him better, Kuminga doesn’t.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 3:45 pm
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:45 pm to duyp
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Also you rather pay Herb 15 a year than Kuminga 30 a year.
Herb would be getting an extension soon if we aren't planning on trading him. Over a (4) year period yes I would rather Kuminga for an extra $5mil a season.
Kuminga would be younger than Herb is right now when that 4 years is over. Lol
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:47 pm to duyp
I want to go on record, trading Herb or Trey for Kuminga would be a massive fricking fail. Kuminga and Zion would be a horrendous pairing, imagine Kuminga, Zion, and Queen on the floor. Other team would have 3 players in the paint. Keep in mind, the Warriors had Kuminga as a healthy scratch early in the playoffs because he didn’t fit beside Jimmy Butler. I’ll take Kuminga for cheap but Herb or Trey? Hell nah.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:49 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Kuminga certainly has potential. However, he likely will never be nearly as impactful on the defensive end as Herb is and he takes the ball out of our playmakers' hands. Herb's role is much more valuable currently IMO and he is paid much more reasonably. Kuminga has not proven to be worth anywhere near $30 million (and I cannot imagine he gets that much). He is still pretty much a project, but like you said, he is still only 22.
That stuff just gives me a headache especially when we see Herb who was still in college from 22y/o-23y/o and still didn't start shooting well for another 2 seasons. And Kuminga has more potential than Herb but yet somehow none of that correlates to a fair comparison or argument.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:56 pm to Dantheman504
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A real NBA team is targeting a player based on recent performance and y'all are telling me that the recent performance doesn't count as to value and potential.
Last time our gm did this exact thing based on a playoff performance, we ended up with Solomon Hill.
Remind the board again how that turned out.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:57 pm to Dantheman504
What if the Deal the Pels are quietly pondering is something like Kuminga, Podz, and a 1st for Zion?
Zion has been remarkably quiet, even for him. From what I can tell he didn't shout out any of our draft picks or follow any of them on social media. He typically has some this in previous seasons. Maybe he's just being more of a recluse than usual, due to his off court situation, or perhaps he's being quiet regarding team moves bc he knows he is being shopped.
I really like Kuminga's upside, but also agree he wouldn't fit with the current group if we are trade Herb to get him. However, Kuminga is 2-3 years younger than Zion, cheaper than Zion, healthier than Zion, has playoff experience, is arguably more athletic than 80% of the forms we have seen from NBA ZION, and has more shooting range and potential than Zion.
Zion has been remarkably quiet, even for him. From what I can tell he didn't shout out any of our draft picks or follow any of them on social media. He typically has some this in previous seasons. Maybe he's just being more of a recluse than usual, due to his off court situation, or perhaps he's being quiet regarding team moves bc he knows he is being shopped.
I really like Kuminga's upside, but also agree he wouldn't fit with the current group if we are trade Herb to get him. However, Kuminga is 2-3 years younger than Zion, cheaper than Zion, healthier than Zion, has playoff experience, is arguably more athletic than 80% of the forms we have seen from NBA ZION, and has more shooting range and potential than Zion.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:58 pm to NOSHAU
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However, he likely will never be nearly as impactful on the defensive end as Herb is and he takes the ball out of our playmakers' hands. Herb's role is much more valuable currently IMO and he is paid much more reasonably.
I completely 100% agree with the defensive aspect. I disagree with the playmakers hands because the point is for him to be one of those play makers.
If Kuminga is maxized and gives his full potential then he still is the better asset than Herb who is very replaceable IMO as a defensive minded role player.
If we aren't losing games by 20 then Herb's effectiveness drops. If our offense gets better then you can make marginally smaller defensive improvements and still end up with a better result.
So "currently" yes but simply replacing Herb with Kuminga and adding another vet guard could completely change that going forward.
We really wouldn't know unless it happens but to just flat out deny the potential of Kuminga while praising Herb who was an even lower valued player at their age is wild.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 4:20 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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What if the Deal the Pels are quietly pondering is something like Kuminga, Podz, and a 1st for Zion?
It would really be something if the relationship between Dumars and Zion went south this fast.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 4:27 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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What if the Deal the Pels are quietly pondering is something like Kuminga, Podz, and a 1st for Zion?
Not a legal trade, GS would have to send out around 50 million total in salary to make it work, and we definitely shouldn’t give a max to Kuminga
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 4:31 pm to GOP_Tiger
He’s dealing with a lot of shite. A stalker baby momma and an ex accusing him of rape/abuse. Probably want to stay away from social media for a while. However, pretty sure Dumars has been talking to him weekly checking up on him.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 4:37 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Kuminga, Podz, and a 1st for Zion?
This is arse lol
Posted on 7/2/25 at 4:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
You guys have convinced me that Herb was not healthy from the opening game. I did not remember, so I would not trade Herb for Kuminga and a #1. Last years was such a damn mess that I forgot how Herb glides threw the air like Nureyev. He's a special player. Needs to get that stroke back.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 4:52 pm to Dantheman504
You really cant use past year as a barometer of Herb’s 3pt shooting. He was never healthy last year even though he tried to cone back, the shoulder i jury was still there and bothering him which naturally you can easily argue that the injury messed with his shot. He never should have come back last year and if we had a medical staff worth a shite they would have recognized the injury and the odds of it healing with just rest v surgically repairing it. Then they sent him back out there I’m sure saying that he cant hurt his shoulder worse which is complete bullshite. If Herb had just had the procedure before or around Christmas then he would have already had an extra 6-8 weeks of recovery time and by now he would be back in the gym rehabbing that much closer to full health. Unfortunately we have a shite organization run by shitty people that thought hoping rest would heal a torn rotator cuff in an already lost season. I doubt Herb ever becomes a 40+% 3pt shooter but he doesn't need to be if he brings his defense back and can shoot somewhere in the 35-37% rate from deep on 4-5 attempts a game he still brings plenty of value. One thing though is certain and that is Herb’s work ethic, much like Dejounte Murray’s so I wouldn't be one bit shocked if he did come back shooting 40% from 3.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 4:57 pm to Soggymoss
Are we sure that Z for Kuminga and other salary isn't something that could actually get done in some type of framework? It might require a 3rd team. 4th team. An exception being used. A contract clause agreeing to be waived by someone, Draymond getting moved or bought out, etc. I'm sure there is a path. Maybe a cap or trade machine guru on here could figure that out.
I was just providing a potential option that didn't include Trey, herb, murray (who has negative value), or a path that puts us over the luxury tax.
Getting Kuminga and other warrior assets for Z would be a coo at this point. The warriors could also definitely talk themselves into a butler, steph and Zion trio for the next several years.
I was just providing a potential option that didn't include Trey, herb, murray (who has negative value), or a path that puts us over the luxury tax.
Getting Kuminga and other warrior assets for Z would be a coo at this point. The warriors could also definitely talk themselves into a butler, steph and Zion trio for the next several years.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 5:04 pm to duyp
Also FWIW, Zion and the rookies follow each other on IG. So I’m pretty sure they did contact each other
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 5:05 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Kuminga is likely a base-year player so his salary can only get back 50%
Posted on 7/2/25 at 5:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not sure how it’s possible but Lakers just got Ayton. Thoughts?
Posted on 7/2/25 at 5:15 pm to spaghettioeauxs
Looks like Dumars is trying to give Willie the roster full of non-shooters that he's always wanted. We're taking so many steps backwards this off-season.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 5:21 pm to IronJohn
No 2nd apron restrictions on signing buyout guys during the offseason, just during the season.
Considering Ayton’s maturity issues and LeBron being LeBron, I don’t see it ending well.
LeBron’s going to ride his arse and he is going to snap.
Considering Ayton’s maturity issues and LeBron being LeBron, I don’t see it ending well.
LeBron’s going to ride his arse and he is going to snap.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 5:30 pm to IronJohn
Amazing for the Lakers given their roster issues.
Ayson is good at worst he was just overpaid. Ayton can work with Lebron or Luka in the PNR. If he's motivated he's a great player.
Ayson is good at worst he was just overpaid. Ayton can work with Lebron or Luka in the PNR. If he's motivated he's a great player.
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