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re: Pels Free Agency Thread: Scoop says Pels still pursuing Kuminga S&T, pg11
Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:46 pm to NOSHAU
Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:46 pm to NOSHAU
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So, you make your judgment by reading a stat sheet instead of watching games? How does their defense and leadership translate?
No. Playing time plays a part, which Kuminga's most recent stint would support my argument right????
I actually value potential #1. Just like Dyson, I can see an obvious age difference while also seeing equal or better level of abilities (as a whole). You can't just ignore him being 4 years younger, which is everyone's favorite thing to ignore when arguing player value against me.
I also truly believe Herb is Herb while Kuminga can mature and get better in another system.
Age and talent matter more to me than fit or what system they came from.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 12:53 pm
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:58 pm to Dantheman504
You got to also figure out do you want Herb at his price and Kuminga at his price. Herb is making 14 a year, Kuminga wants 25+
Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:58 pm to Dantheman504
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Defense is less important when you are outscoring the other teams. Something we have never been able to do up to this point.
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Dumbest shite I've ever heard. Not during playoff time.
Trading Herb for kuminga isn't my favorite thing. I think I'd wait and find a better player.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:01 pm to duyp
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You got to also figure out do you want Herb at his price and Kuminga at his price. Herb is making 14 a year, Kuminga wants 25+
Herb is only on contract for this year and next year. So he will also be making the same unless he takes a step back.
So if it boils down to a 10-20mil difference then I'd rather have Kuminga 4/90 than Herb 4/80.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:02 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:yeah if you’re able to get Podz as well and dump Hawkins and Jose I think that’s a deal you heavily consider.
Trading Herb for kuminga isn't my favorite thing. I think I'd wait and find a better player.
I’m fine with either outcome tbh. Can see it from both sides
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:02 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Joe must love the warriors. If this happens 3 of our 4 additions would be former warriors
Their championship pedigree is innumerable.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:04 pm to six4lsu
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The market for Kuminga is nonexistent. No one wants to pay him what he wants.
Meanwhile, every team in the league is interested in Herb and Trey. Not only their talent , but their contracts.
Right. It would be crazy to trade Herb on his contract for kuminga on the one he wants.
Hold Herb for a better deal. If kuminga is soo great why aren't the warriors doing everything they can to keep him? They are a very smart organization.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:04 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Defense is less important when you are outscoring the other teams. Something we have never been able to do up to this point.
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Dumbest shite I've ever heard. Not during playoff time
I also said:
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I think the defense aspect is a little overrated considering our stale offense also led to shitty transition defense. Good offense makes defense easier.
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Z, Trey, Missi have continued to take steps forward defensively so there's some confidence there. I don't think Poole/ Bey are necessarily "liabilities" Especially when Pooles expectations start at replacing CJ's defense
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:07 pm to Macintosh
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yeah if you’re able to get Podz as well and dump Hawkins and Jose I think that’s a deal you heavily consider.
If we can get Kuminga + Podz for Herb/ Jose/ Hawk straight up you take that and run.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:10 pm to Dantheman504
Bottom line: It's a fairly even trade when all things are considered & seems like the Pelicans are holding out for a smidge more...while the Warriors are sittin' on G...waitin' on O...to get this done.
Kuminga obviously has much more of an upside than Herb...but "potential" has a way of usually not amounting to a hill of beans...in the NBA.
The Warriors and Pelicans are two entirely different animals. Warriors are looking to make a move that gives them a solid shot at winning it all. The Pelicans ?...well, you tell me...but I can assure you "winning it all" is NOT currently on their mind. So...Herb is currently worth a helluva lot more to the Warriors than he is to the Pelicans...while the Pels can see a possible long term advantage to having Kuminga over having Herb...even tho Kuminga might easily end up in that "hill of beans" category.
I hope the deal goes through...but honesty compels to say...I'm still a huge fan of the Herbster & fully expect him to become an even better player than he currently is...over the next few years...especially if he goes to seriously contending team.
Kuminga obviously has much more of an upside than Herb...but "potential" has a way of usually not amounting to a hill of beans...in the NBA.
The Warriors and Pelicans are two entirely different animals. Warriors are looking to make a move that gives them a solid shot at winning it all. The Pelicans ?...well, you tell me...but I can assure you "winning it all" is NOT currently on their mind. So...Herb is currently worth a helluva lot more to the Warriors than he is to the Pelicans...while the Pels can see a possible long term advantage to having Kuminga over having Herb...even tho Kuminga might easily end up in that "hill of beans" category.
I hope the deal goes through...but honesty compels to say...I'm still a huge fan of the Herbster & fully expect him to become an even better player than he currently is...over the next few years...especially if he goes to seriously contending team.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:11 pm to Dantheman504
Jazz wants 2 first rounders and a young player for Kessler. Herb jones is better than Kessler.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:30 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Where the hell does Kuminga play in with this roster?
So once again were going to stunt rookie growth?
So once again were going to stunt rookie growth?
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:34 pm to 50_Tiger
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Where the hell does Kuminga play in with this roster?
So once again were going to stunt rookie growth?
He would be taking Herb's starting role and minutes. Literally nothing changes for everyone else other than us having more lineups to play with.
We just slide Bey/ Trey to SG roles. Nothing changes at backup or starting PG, PF, and C.
The fit is overblown especially considering he can replace the 1 position we've had the most open playing time for due to injuries.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:49 pm to Dantheman504
So in a Zion lineup you will have Trey and Poole the only folks who can shoot.
Kuminga is a sub 45% FG shooter, sub 70% FT Shooter, and has a 53% TS avg. The man cant shoot. Were effectively replacing Herb with the inverse of his defensive skillset.
Kuminga is a sub 45% FG shooter, sub 70% FT Shooter, and has a 53% TS avg. The man cant shoot. Were effectively replacing Herb with the inverse of his defensive skillset.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:50 pm to duyp
You can’t directly compare Herb and Kessler. One is a true pure 7 foot center while the other is a 3 and D wing. They both are defensively centric but Kessler makes his living rebounding and blocking shots while Herb uses his wingspan and instincts to steal, deflect and defend the opposing team’s best wing. Value-wise I think they are both worth similar value at $14-$20 mil a year.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:57 pm to LSUPilot07
That’s what I’m doing. I’m comparing them value wise. Teams would value Herb more than they will value Kessler imo.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:08 pm to duyp
Pelican fans everywhere understand the importance of the player and person Herb has been since day one. What I have not read in this post was the off year Herb had last season. Of course I'm not considering his play after his shoulder injury, only before. I don't have time to look up his stats, but from what I remember, he couldn't throw it in the ocean. His three point shot was way off last year. Maybe his shoulder was hurting from the very first game, but regardless, his shot was off. Correct me if I am wrong. I'm for the trade, but only if the Warriors add a first round pick, and that high flyer Kuminga.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:24 pm to Taylor31
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Pelican fans everywhere understand the importance of the player and person Herb has been since day one. What I have not read in this post was the off year Herb had last season. Of course I'm not considering his play after his shoulder injury, only before. I don't have time to look up his stats, but from what I remember, he couldn't throw it in the ocean. His three point shot was way off last year. Maybe his shoulder was hurting from the very first game, but regardless, his shot was off. Correct me if I am wrong. I'm for the trade, but only if the Warriors add a first round pick, and that high flyer Kuminga.
Off year? Herb played four games before he tore his labrum in his shoulder. Missed 18 games, came back for 16 games before injuring again and officially opting for surgery on it. Pretty clear why no one is reading much into last season. For anyone really.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:29 pm to PELsu
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Off year? Herb played four games before he tore his labrum in his shoulder. Missed 18 games, came back for 16 games before injuring again and officially opting for surgery on it. Pretty clear why no one is reading much into last season. For anyone really.
Everyone is so worried about Murray coming back to the point that they are concerned he couldn't replace Herbs defensive value. Meanwhile Herb is in the same boat but everyone would love to ignore that to support their arguments.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:33 pm to Dantheman504
Herb hurt his right shoulder and is left handed. He was shooting right after surgery. That’s not the same as an Achilles injury.
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