re: Pels Free Agency Thread: Scoop says Pels still pursuing Kuminga S&T, pg11

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Pelican fans everywhere understand the importance of the player and person Herb has been since day one. What I have not read in this post was the off year Herb had last season. Of course I'm not considering his play after his shoulder injury, only before. I don't have time to look up his stats, but from what I remember, he couldn't throw it in the ocean. His three point shot was way off last year. Maybe his shoulder was hurting from the very first game, but regardless, his shot was off. Correct me if I am wrong. I'm for the trade, but only if the Warriors add a first round pick, and that high flyer Kuminga.


Off year? Herb played four games before he tore his labrum in his shoulder. Missed 18 games, came back for 16 games before injuring again and officially opting for surgery on it. Pretty clear why no one is reading much into last season. For anyone really.

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Yep...funny thing about stats...there are "stats" and there are "STATS". Any team interested in trading for Herb would do a "deep dive" into the "STATS"...especially since his 3-pt shooting, which is a MAJOR factor in determining his probable future value...has for his first 4 years in the NBA...been 33.7%/33.5%/41.8% and then 30.6% this past season. Kinda odd #s for this past season even with the very small sample size.

Here's the best way to look at this past season, small sample size and all, to show how you have to be careful when just glancing at the stats. If you want to say Herb shot 30.6 from the 3-pt line last year on 22-72...you would be "correct". BUT...if you wanted to say Herb shot 36.3% from the 3-pt line last year on 29-80...you would be "more correct".

I promise you...the Warriors have done the "deep dive" ...to try & figure out what happened to Herb's 3-pt shooing % this past year...and what they found gave them a solid reason to pursue Herb...his "apparent" 30.6%...and all.

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Jazz wants 2 first rounders and a young player for Kessler. Herb jones is better than Kessler.

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And Danny ainge is a good gm. No way in hell do you trade Herb for kuminga straight up.

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Herb hurt his right shoulder and is left handed. He was shooting right after surgery. That’s not the same as an Achilles injury.

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Ahh so then he was just absolute dog shite last year then? Which is it? Even though I'm an a-hole atleast I'm not hypocritical with my takes and keep a pretty direct line of thoughts.

Either his shot was affected and could still impact him going forward or it wasn't and he played like arse.

Idk what you are laughing at. Man y'all really hate arguing against real stats and logic.

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Jesus dude are you his agent or something? We’ve got YEARS of data that say Kuminga is a below average three point shooter and you’re going to argue five GAMES worth of data should override that. This is embarrassing.

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For a guy who is 22 years old???

No its embarrassing for y'all to be so ignorant as to make up your mind about someone who is 22 years old.

Especially when we've seen Lonzo, Herb, etcc on THIS team.

Y'all are fricking retarded little straw men.

Players can't improve right? But yet I'm confident in yall's minds that you fully expect Herb to continue to be a good 3pt shooter and get better... Absolute hypocrites.

Seriously, take a few hours off from posting. Maybe mom can make you a sandwich.

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Herb is only on contract for this year and next year. So he will also be making the same unless he takes a step back.

So if it boils down to a 10-20mil difference then I'd rather have Kuminga 4/90 than Herb 4/80.

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Herb would get a new contract in 2 years! Different cap and roster at that point.

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Herb would get a new contract in 2 years! Different cap and roster at that point.

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Herb would get a 2-3 yr extension in 1 year. Either way you are looking at a 4 year comparison for the most part.

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Alright, you’ve always posted the most ridiculous stuff, and I’m sure like me, people aren’t sure if you are an idiot or a troll.

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None of the above. I post mostly logical things and then explain them. I even use real data to back that up. I then get arguments against that data in which I use those same arguments and everyone loses their shite.

Most of the arguments against me today are either hypocritical or completely bias and want to ignore certain data.

Just now someone said "Kuminga can't shoot" and then I showed where he just most recently shot 40%. To which that's hilarious and doesn't count as data? WTF?

No one even said "wow maybe he can turn the corner" just straight denial of actual data.

I never once argued that Kuminga was an amazing shooter or that he has shot well. Just data of our most recent sample size.

Which his most recent sample size is probably why we are targeting him on a serious professional level... while keyboard warriors want to use a strawweight argument of "he shot bad in the past".

Do you think we are actually targeting him because "he shot bad in the past" or because we like his potential based of his most recent playoff performance?

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A real NBA team is targeting a player based on recent performance and y'all are telling me that the recent performance doesn't count as to value and potential.

Process how fricking stupid that sounds and then ponder again why I may be frustrated.

Would we be targeting Kuminga if he didn't play like that in the playoffs?

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So, he is so valuable because he hit 10-25 3s in the playoffs? DO the real NBA teams ignore that he shot 17% after the all star break from 3 until the playoffs (so about 26% overall the rest of the regular season and playoffs, which is closer to his career average of 33% on low volume)? Should those 25 shots be the only thing they should consider?