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re: Pels/Cavs discuss Collin Sexton trade
Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:41 pm to Chalkywhite84
Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:41 pm to Chalkywhite84
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I'd rather him do nothing.
It was pretty clear the Pels needed a guard that could create something out of nothing. The likelihood of the stars aligning and us trading for a superstar that fits that are pretty low. 2 of the players people have penciled in as targets from day 1, Booker and Mitchell, both got far enough in the playoffs that I don't think they'll be available any time soon.
I do think we're seeing this smoke because the Pels are the team most looking to buy and the Cavs are the team most looking to sell rather than we both have exactly what the other team wants. But the Pels are going to have to take chances on guys like Sexton at some point. Also, I would expect Sexton's efficiency to go up playing with Zion and Ingram, so even if you have to pay him, he should hold his value well enough.
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Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:42 pm to Epic Cajun
The biggest issue with Sexton is that he is one year away from a huge contract. We would have to be confident that he is a cornerstone if we give up significant assets for him.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:45 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I wonder what it would take (how many 1sts) to get Sexton and Nance using either Bledsoe or more likely Adams as a contract.
It was pretty clear the Pels needed a guard that could create something out of nothing. The likelihood of the stars aligning and us trading for a superstar that fits that are pretty low. 2 of the players people have penciled in as targets from day 1, Booker and Mitchell, both got far enough in the playoffs that I don't think they'll be available any time soon.
I do think we're seeing this smoke because the Pels are the team most looking to buy and the Cavs are the team most looking to sell rather than we both have exactly what the other team wants. But the Pels are going to have to take chances on guys like Sexton at some point. Also, I would expect Sexton's efficiency to go up playing with Zion and Ingram, so even if you have to pay him, he should hold his value well enough.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:47 pm to Epic Cajun
Wouldn’t Sexton basically play the same position as NAW? He’d be that combo guard that looks to score first rather than pass. Not saying that’s a bad thing but I think NAW really breaks out this coming season and could average around 20 points with starters minutes. If we are going to make a big trade I’d prefer it be for a true facilitating PG that can shoot the 3 around 40%. Maybe Sexton could grow into that role but right now I see him as more a SG that’s only 6’1”. I do think we should trade the 10th pick for an established player but I hope we can swing another deal to get back in around the middle of the 1st to take Corey Kispert. Mock drafts have him falling from around the 10th pick to the 15-20 range. He will most likely never be a starter but he could be the deadly 3 point shooter off the bench that we need so badly.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:47 pm to NOSHAU
Have any of you watched sexton. I've followed him since highschool and he's always had that superstar status. He's a stud that hasn't hit his prime yet.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:50 pm to NOSHAU
That’s the issue that’s been skirted around through this whole thread. Yeah, he isn’t a great defender, but the whole “ball hog” issue is a huge overreaction. His usage rate isn’t that high, and his assist rate isn’t that low. He turns the ball over a bit but still near 2/1 assist to turnover. He’s an above average player with huge room to grow. Problem is you will have to decide very quickly if he ever will hit that ceiling.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:51 pm to Pelicans4Real
Here's what some of our resident bloggers think it would take to get Sexton:
Mac:
Shamit:
Mac:
quote:
To me, an objectively "fair" trade for Sexton would be something like:
Bledsoe, #10, Cavs 2022 2nd back to them, and swap rights in 2025 for Sexton and Cedi Osman
Would I do it? No, but it wouldnt be horrible if you can find a good S&T partner for Lonzo
Shamit:
quote:
My Sexton trade would be Bled, 10, 35, Cavs future pick back for Sexton and either Prince or Cedi. Now if I could turn Prince into Buddy by adding other seconds, we're really cooking. Definitely think B-ball IQ would need to be a major driving factor in other moves though.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:57 pm to 504Voodoo
quote:stolen from Shamit on Twitter, Sexton averaged exactly the same amount of potential assists per game as Zo.
This. We don't need ball dominant scorer that doesn't pass.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 7:25 pm to TigerinATL
I like sexton
I just don't want love and that contract.
I just don't want love and that contract.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 7:32 pm to shel311
Zion
Ingram
Sexton
Ball
NAW
Nance
Hayes
Marshall
Adams
Didi
could be a versatile team.
I say worry about the money later as none would be bad contracts.
Ingram
Sexton
Ball
NAW
Nance
Hayes
Marshall
Adams
Didi
could be a versatile team.
I say worry about the money later as none would be bad contracts.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 7:58 pm to LesGeaux45
I think they are over valuing Bledsoe and undervaluing Sexton. Some people think it would take a 1st to get off of Bledsoe.
So we would be essentially trading a second and a pick swap for him (and for another player who is probably roughly neutral value).
So we would be essentially trading a second and a pick swap for him (and for another player who is probably roughly neutral value).
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:01 pm to NOSHAU
Nance is who griffin should've gotten instead of adams.
Sexton is more of a scoring guard.
Only way i trade for sexton is if it's a steal. Don't think he fits great with zion and ingram.
Sexton is more of a scoring guard.
Only way i trade for sexton is if it's a steal. Don't think he fits great with zion and ingram.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:13 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Some people think it would take a 1st to get off of Bledsoe.
But not the 10th pick. People think a Lakers or Bucks pick.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:11 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
I think they are over valuing Bledsoe and undervaluing Sexton. Some people think it would take a 1st to get off of Bledsoe.
So we would be essentially trading a second and a pick swap for him (and for another player who is probably roughly neutral value).
I think this is mainly due to Sexton being up for a new contract soon. If you don’t plan on paying him and can flip him for an expiring Bledsoe, the 10th pick, second(s), a future swap, and shed salary from (Prince/Cedí/Nance) then it’s a decent return.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 10:51 pm to TechTiger
Yeah, I’m thinking that’s low value too from the bloggers. If that’s his value, every team should be making offers and if 20 teams make average offers like that, what are the odds that Cleveland thinks our poopoo platter is the best?
I’m fine with overpaying a bit to stand out from the other offers as a player like Sexton would help us tremendously. The worst thing that can happen is the Lakers offer some trash like Kuzma and a 1st and they beat out our offer because we are unwilling to roll the dice on basically what equates to the guard version of Ingram.
I’m A OK with
Bled, Kira, 10, and 1 other first for Sexton and either osman/prince/nance
and gun to my head i’d offer another first too, or multiple good seconds
This is a tremendous, low risk opportunity to find a 3rd star.
Vs trading everything for old Dame or Beal or trading almost everything for SGA or Fox
I’m fine with overpaying a bit to stand out from the other offers as a player like Sexton would help us tremendously. The worst thing that can happen is the Lakers offer some trash like Kuzma and a 1st and they beat out our offer because we are unwilling to roll the dice on basically what equates to the guard version of Ingram.
I’m A OK with
Bled, Kira, 10, and 1 other first for Sexton and either osman/prince/nance
and gun to my head i’d offer another first too, or multiple good seconds
This is a tremendous, low risk opportunity to find a 3rd star.
Vs trading everything for old Dame or Beal or trading almost everything for SGA or Fox
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 10:55 pm to 3PieceSpicy
I'm not giving up 10 and kira and another first.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 11:19 pm to Chalkywhite84
What’s the point of stockpiling picks and assets if you don’t use them to get a star?
Kira might be a starter. 10 might be a starter. A future first might be a starter. None of it is guaranteed and I’d say the odds of any of those 3 assets individually becoming a star are next to nothing.
We’d be getting off of Bled. Getting a potential all star back in Sexton (he’s 22 and averages 24 a game) and getting a quality role player/spot starter in osman/prince/nance.
Sure, we’d have to pay him a nice contract. Maybe we’d have to let go of Zo and/or Hart.
Not sure any of that matters if you have Sexton, Ingram, Zion, Hayes all out on the court at once.
That’s 3 players that command doubles and can still score when doubled, plus the most athletic big in the league who looks like he might be a 3 pt sniper as well. And Naw who is all star caliber when he is on.
If you have 3 guys that can score 30 a game, odds are you can survive and off night from 1 of them and still win. You also can stagger the minutes where at least 1-2 of them are on the court at all times which should limit the times we can’t score for 5-6 minutes a game sometimes.
3 offensive juggernauts on the court at once is often the magic number in the NBA. We’d be a top 8 team in the league immediately just based off of having those 3 and all of them are young and ascending. It could develop into a GOAT like trio tbh.
Kira might be a starter. 10 might be a starter. A future first might be a starter. None of it is guaranteed and I’d say the odds of any of those 3 assets individually becoming a star are next to nothing.
We’d be getting off of Bled. Getting a potential all star back in Sexton (he’s 22 and averages 24 a game) and getting a quality role player/spot starter in osman/prince/nance.
Sure, we’d have to pay him a nice contract. Maybe we’d have to let go of Zo and/or Hart.
Not sure any of that matters if you have Sexton, Ingram, Zion, Hayes all out on the court at once.
That’s 3 players that command doubles and can still score when doubled, plus the most athletic big in the league who looks like he might be a 3 pt sniper as well. And Naw who is all star caliber when he is on.
If you have 3 guys that can score 30 a game, odds are you can survive and off night from 1 of them and still win. You also can stagger the minutes where at least 1-2 of them are on the court at all times which should limit the times we can’t score for 5-6 minutes a game sometimes.
3 offensive juggernauts on the court at once is often the magic number in the NBA. We’d be a top 8 team in the league immediately just based off of having those 3 and all of them are young and ascending. It could develop into a GOAT like trio tbh.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:53 am to Chalkywhite84
quote:
I'm not giving up 10 and kira and another first.
I would
Posted on 7/12/21 at 7:17 am to TeddyPadillac
Part of me thinks it's a lot but Sexton is a sure thing. He was doubled teamed a ton and was still able to put up numbers. He'd be better here and it's more of a sure thing then Kira, number 10, or a first if it's not ours.LINK
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 7:20 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 7:39 am to Pelicans4Real
Kevin Love looks like the ultimate hype man in that video. Put me in the camp that wants Sexton. We haven't had a guard like him since CP3. Watching this video makes me that much more pissed at Lonzo for wasting his talents on being a no-driving POS
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