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re: Pels/Cavs discuss Collin Sexton trade
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:18 am to 3PieceSpicy
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:18 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:It would likely be a max or near max deal. Management would have to be confident that he is the 3rd star they want to pair with BI and Zion to give up that much in assets AND commit a max or near max deal to him.
Sure, we’d have to pay him a nice contract. Maybe we’d have to let go of Zo and/or Hart.
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:36 am to NOSHAU
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It would likely be a max or near max deal. Management would have to be confident that he is the 3rd star they want to pair with BI and Zion to give up that much in assets AND commit a max or near max deal to him.
If all you have to give up is Kira and #10 basically, maybe one future first, then it's not a big deal if you give him that deal and you figure out in 3 years that you need to go another direction, b/c you still have assets coming out your arse to make a big trade.
This is the kind of move you have to make if the cost is fairly minimal, and Kira/#10/future first is pretty minimal for the potential you're getting back. If it works out, awesome, if not, you can easily fix it. And i seriously doubt this move would make us worst, if that's even possible.
The one thing i'd worry about is the distribution of points. You're not going to have Zion averaging 27, BI averaging 25 and Sexton averaging 25. That's not something that has ever happened. Then you have NAW who's ready to take on more of a scoring load, especially if he's a starter. Someone has to take a back seat a bit.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:42 am to TeddyPadillac
I also don't think Sexton would decline in value that much. Even with fewer shots I would expect him to stay in the ball park of 20ppg by increasing his efficiency and I'd also expect his assists to go up.
If he doesn't fit it's probably because the Pels don't have enough defense with him and Ingram on the roster together. Other teams will still be interested in him. Especially if this playoffs that was ruled by shot makers is a trend and not an aberration.
If he doesn't fit it's probably because the Pels don't have enough defense with him and Ingram on the roster together. Other teams will still be interested in him. Especially if this playoffs that was ruled by shot makers is a trend and not an aberration.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:46 am to TigerinATL
You know how hard it is to have 3 20ppg+ players on a team. No way that is happening unless they don't care about winning games.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:06 am to supe12sta12z
If Sexton were to work out he'd either shift Ingram's role enough that he'd pick up his defense, or because Sexton worked out, Ingram becomes expendable and you flip him for a more balanced roster. Zion + Ingram is deficient in both defense and shot creation. Zion + Sexton looks like defense would be the main issue.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 9:08 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:10 am to TigerinATL
We would definitely score some points.
Sexton, in theory, is exactly the type of Guard we need (assuming he learns to defer more), without the incredible acquisition cost of a Lillard or Beal. And young enough to be on our timeline.
But man the Defense will have to be a team effort type of thng, because Zion/BI/Sexton is 3 turnstiles. If Jaxson can develop into a rim protector then maybe Lonzo is a good fit next to Sexton simply for his average to above average defense?
Sexton, in theory, is exactly the type of Guard we need (assuming he learns to defer more), without the incredible acquisition cost of a Lillard or Beal. And young enough to be on our timeline.
But man the Defense will have to be a team effort type of thng, because Zion/BI/Sexton is 3 turnstiles. If Jaxson can develop into a rim protector then maybe Lonzo is a good fit next to Sexton simply for his average to above average defense?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:20 am to supe12sta12z
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You know how hard it is to have 3 20ppg+ players on a team. No way that is happening unless they don't care about winning games.
At this point I don’t really care….we have no one outside of Ingram that can create his own shot like Sexton. Maybe NAW can be that, but his game seems kinda similar to Ingram’s as he’s much more of a catch and shoot or pull up from Mid Range scorer. Mainly because both lack the quick twitchiness to create space, and use their length to shoot over defenders.
The way Sexton can create space and use the defenders leverage against him is uncanny…only a handful of players have that ability, and I see a lot of the same things in Donavan Mitchell too. I’m not saying they are equal in skill and ability, but he’s a good example of being able to score anywhere on the floor. They also can use a defenders momentum to create space and put shots up or create for others when driving to the basket.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:21 am to Fun Bunch
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then maybe Lonzo is a good fit next to Sexton simply for his average to above average defense?
Lonzo isn't a good enough point of attack defender, I'd still look to S&T him. NAW is a better point of attack defender. But unless Hayes is averaging 6 blocks per game, the defense probably will be bottom 10.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:24 am to TigerinATL
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NAW is a better point of attack defender.
He does have very active hands and has strong tight defense where he forces ball handlers to try and dribble around him, or cause them to pick up their dribble and pass out. He may not be great against the pick and roll yet, but at least he can fight through screens better and deflect passes with his length.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 9:26 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:41 am to TigerinATL
I haven’t really watched much of Sexton, but the complaints here seem to be more of what this team needs, not what it doesn’t need. We need someone who isn’t afraid to take the final shot and that seems to be what Sexton is. Ingram seems like a #3 (Chris Bosh) who needs to hit 3s, crash the boards and keep defenders honest instead of doubling up on the main scorers.
Sounds like all we will be missing is that dirty dog player who plays defense and brings energy like a Draymond Green, Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, type player. Maybe that can be Jax!
Sounds like all we will be missing is that dirty dog player who plays defense and brings energy like a Draymond Green, Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, type player. Maybe that can be Jax!
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:46 am to TechTiger
I really want to see what NAW can do in his 3rd year. Most guys break out in their 3rd year. I want him starting, and i want him to have the opportunity to be the third scorer on this team.
I'd prefer if we found a PG that could play great defense and simply control the offense, not someone that is going to score 20+ a night.
Like i said, i think making a trade for Sexton is the type of low cost risk we should take, but if we are really high on someone like Bouknight or Moody or Mitchell, and they are there at 10, then don't trade the pick. You can probably get Sexton or someone similar at the trade deadline. We can get a guy like Devonte Graham in FA to be the PG.
I'd rather trade Kira, #10 for #13 swap, and a future first for Brogdon, than trade #10/Kira/first for Sexton.
I just think we should see what NAW can do, b/c he may solve a lot of problems.
I'd prefer if we found a PG that could play great defense and simply control the offense, not someone that is going to score 20+ a night.
Like i said, i think making a trade for Sexton is the type of low cost risk we should take, but if we are really high on someone like Bouknight or Moody or Mitchell, and they are there at 10, then don't trade the pick. You can probably get Sexton or someone similar at the trade deadline. We can get a guy like Devonte Graham in FA to be the PG.
I'd rather trade Kira, #10 for #13 swap, and a future first for Brogdon, than trade #10/Kira/first for Sexton.
I just think we should see what NAW can do, b/c he may solve a lot of problems.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:47 am to Fun Bunch
How do y'all feel about a 3 way trade with the Cavs, Pels, and OKC?
OKC: Collin Sexton, Kevin Love, #10, future first or pick swap, 2nds
Cavs: Kira, Bledsoe, Adams, 1-2 OKC/ Pels fillers, future first and/ or a combination of pick swaps
Pels: SGA
Obviously it would need tweaks but there's a lot of pieces that can move on these 3 teams. You also have guys like Larry Nance/ Lu Dort and a bunch of picks between all teams to make it work.
OKC: Collin Sexton, Kevin Love, #10, future first or pick swap, 2nds
Cavs: Kira, Bledsoe, Adams, 1-2 OKC/ Pels fillers, future first and/ or a combination of pick swaps
Pels: SGA
Obviously it would need tweaks but there's a lot of pieces that can move on these 3 teams. You also have guys like Larry Nance/ Lu Dort and a bunch of picks between all teams to make it work.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 9:48 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:51 am to Suntiger
Seen this snippet regarding his trade value, not sure where it's from. (Says Cleveland will not get a pick in the top half of the draft)
LINK
Also from Cavs writer:
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Also from Cavs writer:
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Collin Sexton’s name is popping up a lot more in trade chatter, according to sources.
It also feels like a rookie max extension is off the table.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 9:55 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:55 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Seen this snippet regarding his trade value, not sure where it's from. (Says Cleveland will not get a pick in the top half of the draft)
Sounds good to me. I too think the looming contract decision lessens his value quite a lot.
10 + Bledsoe is fine with me.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:08 am to purplepylon
Why draft Kira Lewis and then trade for a similar player in sexton? Plus the kid is a little…off
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:10 am to The Pirate King
quote:1. Are they really similar?
Why draft Kira Lewis and then trade for a similar player in sexton?
2. The odds of Kira ever having a season as good as the one Sexton just had are pretty slim
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:17 am to htran90
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Sexton traded, would mean Love stays away from here. Lewis + Bledsoe 2021: 10th overall, 2 2nd rounds 2022: Lakers or Pelicans pick (top 4 protected)
Griff gonna let the cavs FO run a train on his wife as a kicker?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:21 am to The Pirate King
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Why draft Kira Lewis and then trade for a similar player in sexton? Plus the kid is a little…off
Sexton has shot 39% from 3 in his first 3 years. He's averaging 20ppg for his career, and it keeps going up. There's only 10 players that averaged more FT/game than Sexton this past year, and he hits them at over 80%.
If Kira had any projection like that, he would have played twice as much as he did this year.
I know everyone likes to stay positive about Kira, and shite on me for talking realistic about him, but he's not likely to end up anywhere near what Sexton is doing right now. He may end up being a decent NBA player one day, but i still say his likely ceiling is Darren Collison, which isn't bad, but that's not an NBA starting PG for a deep playoff caliber team.
Kira isn't a bust by any means, but we could have done better with that pick. Saddiq Bey is playing on the Olympic team.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:22 am to St Augustine
I like the idea of adding Sexton without giving up much more than #10, but I do worry once he gets his extension, are we maxed out in terms of stars, and can we then get the legit disgruntled star or does getting Sexton mean we can't really add that guy any longer?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:24 am to shel311
You can always add more, as long as you're willing to pay the tax bill
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