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re: Pels/Cavs discuss Collin Sexton trade
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Schroder is nowhere near Jrue on defense. He also is a head case and terrible teammate. Would not want him on this team.
would much rather Schroder than Lonzo. Schroder is a pest on defense. You seeing what Jrue is doing to CP3? I would love to get a guard in here that will pick up full court like Schroder does and disrupt the start of offense. Its' why i'd love to sign TJ McConnel in FA as a backup PG, especially if we go get someone like Sexton and Kira goes out.
I have just as much confidence in Schroder's catch and shoot 3 point shooting as Lonzo. He was 36% this year, 41% last year, and he's a career 83% FT shooter, and actually get to the line.
Schroder's 15/6 he provides on offense is better than Lonzo's, and he's a better defender.
The only way i'd even entertain the idea of it though is if the Lakers actually make the pick at #22, and i liked it a lot and demanded that player in the S&T.
Doing a deal like this means you struck out on draft night making any big deals, and you can set yourself up to go get some shooting to supplement the roster, while you still wait to make your big move.
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 4:13 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Schroder is nowhere near Jrue on defense.
I didn't say he was, simply that i'd love to have a gaurd that puts that kind of full court pressure on the opposing teams PG, and Schroder is great at it, as is McConnell.
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He also is a head case and terrible teammate. Would not want him on this team.
I can't argue that. I don't really want him either, especially at the price he wants, or thinks he's worth.
All i'm saying is i'd rather Schroder at 18-20M over Lonzo, strictly for on court performance, but there's more to building a team than strictly what someone does on the court, especially a role player, so i completely get why most of you absolutely do not want him, and i agree for the most part.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 4:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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would much rather Schroder than Lonzo. Schroder is a pest on defense. You seeing what Jrue is doing to CP3?
Funny you mention this because someone on Reddit just did a comparison of jrue and schroeder vs cp3 and jrue has been like 10x better than schroeder defending cp3
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:27 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Yeah, schroder is no jrue but the question is do you want lonzo or schroder?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:31 pm to Chalkywhite84
Lonzo.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:32 pm to purplepylon
Sexton and Ingram means single-digit shots for Zion. Do NOT want.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:35 pm to yaboidarrell
The one game I saw sexton play this year was against the nets big 3 and he went nuts.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Now, I would love McConnell on this team. He is such a pest on defense and a high energy guy. He would be nice on the 2nd unit.
I didn't say he was, simply that i'd love to have a gaurd that puts that kind of full court pressure on the opposing teams PG, and Schroder is great at it, as is McConnell.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:52 pm to TechTiger
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I’d rather let the Lakers scramble to find someone else dumb enough to do a sign and trade with them. I don’t want their poo plater of Harrell, Kuzma, Horton-Tucker, Schroeder, etc….
Only useful player they could potentially include in a Lonzo trade that would maybe be helpful this year is Gasol. You could then move Adams
You shite on horton-tucker and schroder but want to take back gasol??
What in the fook.
I like caruso but the lakers are going to re-sign him.
I don't think the pelicans even do a trade with the lakers.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:53 pm to yaboidarrell
quote:
Sexton and Ingram means single-digit shots for Zion. Do NOT want.
The only person that could limit Zion to single-digit attempts is Zion.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:13 pm to yaboidarrell
quote:
Sexton and Ingram means single-digit shots for Zion. Do NOT want.
Sexton averages 18 FGA.
Lonzo averages 13 FGA.
Give Sexton Lonzo’s shot load and steal 3 more from other players. That gets Sexton up to 16 but I’m expecting more assists and efficiency, so higher impact with fewer shots.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:23 pm to TigerinATL
If defenders fear Sexton, that’s one less player to key on Zion.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:44 pm to TigerinATL
Bled averaged 10 shots a game too. That’s another source of shots for Sexton to dip into. NAW can dip into that well as well.
I think everyone would get the amount of shots they deserve on a per game basis and during certain games you can certainly ride hot hands or take whatever the defense is giving you.
There is no reason why Z can’t average 26-29 ppg, and Ingram and Sexton can’t average 21-24 ppg apiece. The game would become so easy for 3 of them on the court together especially if we pair that lineup with knockdown shooters and Jax ( top vertical spacer and budding stretch big).
I think everyone would get the amount of shots they deserve on a per game basis and during certain games you can certainly ride hot hands or take whatever the defense is giving you.
There is no reason why Z can’t average 26-29 ppg, and Ingram and Sexton can’t average 21-24 ppg apiece. The game would become so easy for 3 of them on the court together especially if we pair that lineup with knockdown shooters and Jax ( top vertical spacer and budding stretch big).
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:55 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:3 20 point scorers on the same team? Does not happen often.
Bled averaged 10 shots a game too. That’s another source of shots for Sexton to dip into. NAW can dip into that well as well.
I think everyone would get the amount of shots they deserve on a per game basis and during certain games you can certainly ride hot hands or take whatever the defense is giving you.
There is no reason why Z can’t average 26-29 ppg, and Ingram and Sexton can’t average 21-24 ppg apiece. The game would become so easy for 3 of them on the court together especially if we pair that lineup with knockdown shooters and Jax ( top vertical spacer and budding stretch big).
Posted on 7/16/21 at 7:37 am to NOSHAU
Sexton would make this team fun to watch. Lonzo looks like he is falling asleep on the court.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 7:43 am to NOSHAU
Can see us being like Denver with Jokic, Murray and MPJ.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 7:44 am to NOSHAU
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3 20 point scorers on the same team? Does not happen often.
True, but I don’t think it would be hard.
Look at this past season for the Celtics.
PPG:
Tatum: 26.4
Brown: 24.7
Kemba: 19.3
FGA:
Tatum: 20.6
Brown: 19.2
Kemba: 15.7
It also helps that Zion and Sexton both average more FTA than Tatum (Boston’s highest FTA of the three), and Ingram averages basically the same number of FTA as him.
Basically Zion, Ingram, and Sexton were all more efficient scorers on a points per shot basis than the Celtics trio (Zion scored a ridiculous 27 points on 17 FGA), and the addition of Sexton should actually make all three of their games easier.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 8:26 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
Tatum: 26.4
Brown: 24.7
Kemba: 19.3
How'd that work out for them?
I talked about it before, but you're not going to have Zion averaging 27, BI 25, and Sexton 24. Someone has to take a back seat, and it better not be Zion.
The ideal scenario is that Zion averages 26, Sexton averages around 20, and does his scoring early on, and BI averages around 20 and does his scoring late. What I want to see is BI not have to work so hard throughout the game, and be fresh in the 4th quarter where he can take over the game and lead us to victory more often than not, and change that horrific stat of our record before and after the 3 minute mark.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 8:36 am to TeddyPadillac
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The ideal scenario is that Zion averages 26, Sexton averages around 20, and does his scoring early on, and BI averages around 20.
i don't think that's unreasonable or unlikely
quote:
How'd that work out for them?
they made the playoffs, right? that's what we need to set as our goal and then figure out what we need to do
Posted on 7/16/21 at 8:51 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Do you think that's the reason why they weren't great this year?
How'd that work out for them?
As mentioned the Nuggets were also very similar with "close" to 3 scoring 20 per game with Jokic, Murray, and Porter Jr.. Zion isn't going to take a backseat, he scored 27 on 17 shots this season. I doubt he takes less than 17 shots in the upcoming season. If anything I think it would be BI getting less shots, because Zion and Sexton would probably handle the ball more than him. I was just showing that it's possible and not really that hard to have 3 guys score ~20+, especially with the efficiency that our 3 guys (potentially) score with.
quote:I would prefer the opposite. Let BI cook early, let Zion and Sexton get after it late game. They are better at attacking the basket and drawing fouls than BI is.
The ideal scenario is that Zion averages 26, Sexton averages around 20, and does his scoring early on, and BI averages around 20 and does his scoring late. What I want to see is BI not have to work so hard throughout the game, and be fresh in the 4th quarter where he can take over the game and lead us to victory more often than not, and change that horrific stat of our record before and after the 3 minute mark.
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