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re: Official 2018 Trade Deadline Thread: Update Dante to Brooklyn
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:27 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:27 am to TeddyPadillac
Trading our first and bad contracts to get DC would be the most Dell Demps move that Dell
Demps could make. Terrifying.
Demps could make. Terrifying.
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:47 am to NOFOX
Yeah, I wouldn't do it. Just saying that it a fair trade.
Personally, I think they should hold onto the pick and be patient. I think they can get a really good player next February if they want for Asik, Ajinca, the 2019 first, and maybe even Diallo or Jackson will have real value by then.
Get by this year. Probably lose in the first round, have another camp next year, build more depth, then make the needle moving trade next year when Asik's contract will actually be a plus
Personally, I think they should hold onto the pick and be patient. I think they can get a really good player next February if they want for Asik, Ajinca, the 2019 first, and maybe even Diallo or Jackson will have real value by then.
Get by this year. Probably lose in the first round, have another camp next year, build more depth, then make the needle moving trade next year when Asik's contract will actually be a plus
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:49 am to Crewz
Holy crap I agree with Crewz.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:59 am to Crewz
quote:
Get by this year. Probably lose in the first round, have another camp next year, build more depth, then make the needle moving trade next year when Asik's contract will actually be a plus
You been listening to me? b/c i've been saying that for quite some time now.
Cousins isn't going anywhere. They shouldn't worry about that this year.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:02 am to TeddyPadillac
Its the logical move and it's what I've been saying on the pod since preseason. But we aren't the GM, Dell is. So, I talk more about what I think he will do or what's the best of the non ideal scenarios because I don't think he has the discipline to be patient.
I only play the "if I were GM" game so often because I am not the GM. So I find it kind of pointless. Keeping the pick and waiting for next trade deadline is clearly the logical move
I only play the "if I were GM" game so often because I am not the GM. So I find it kind of pointless. Keeping the pick and waiting for next trade deadline is clearly the logical move
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:17 am to Crewz
Let's hope the Pels can keep this momentum going so there's less pressure to make a big move.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:23 am to Crewz
I was just messing with you.
but yes i agree, unless you can find that trade right now, or in the offseason.
I think they will be hard pressed to not stretch Asik, but if we can manage to not do that this offseason, he will be much more of an asset than a burden next year. I agree with you that i don't think they will have the patience to wait it out.
but yes i agree, unless you can find that trade right now, or in the offseason.
I think they will be hard pressed to not stretch Asik, but if we can manage to not do that this offseason, he will be much more of an asset than a burden next year. I agree with you that i don't think they will have the patience to wait it out.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:42 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
I think they will be hard pressed to not stretch Asik,
Not stretching Asik this summer is a little risky but very doable. I don't have hard cap calculations on my spreadsheet so that and Jrue's incentives could throw a monkey wrench into what I'm about to propose:
Step 1 - Dump Ajinca in the summer like QPon. A savings of $5.2 million
Step 2 - Trade Asik mid-january. If you do it by the halfway point only half of his salary goes against the tax. You save $5.6 million and since the team you dump him on is only taking $5.6 million this year and $3 next, you could probably pay something like Diallo + $5 million cash, which is much better than burning a first. You also shed another $1.5 million moving Diallo in the dump.
So that's a total payroll savings of $11.5 million. You start the season before these trades with a payroll of 125.1 million, about $2 million over the tax line, so you effectively have $9.5 million to play with. That should cover most or all of the Taxpayer MLE and 3-4 minimums.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 8:48 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:59 am to TigerinATL
Add Pels 2018 1st
I think the team needs to make a trade before the deadline. The team has no depth. This would be my ideal trade. The Pels would be better now, without taking on long-term salary. Mirotic just raved about Rondo. This team would be solid:
PG - Rondo/ Grant/ Nelson
SG - Holiday/ Moore
SF - Hill/ Miller
PF - Davis/ Mirotic/ Cunningham
C - Cousins
I think the team needs to make a trade before the deadline. The team has no depth. This would be my ideal trade. The Pels would be better now, without taking on long-term salary. Mirotic just raved about Rondo. This team would be solid:
PG - Rondo/ Grant/ Nelson
SG - Holiday/ Moore
SF - Hill/ Miller
PF - Davis/ Mirotic/ Cunningham
C - Cousins
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:02 am to TigerinATL
Yeah but you're just talking about dumping Asik next year before the trade deadline. What's the point in that? I want to get somethign back for him at that point.
I think you can find someone to take Ajinca and give back nothing, like with Qpon.
I think you can find someone to take Ajinca and give back nothing, like with Qpon.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:12 am to PelicansBay
That's not a bad trade there, and it would set us up to have some room to sign 3 or 4 minimums and maybe one guys around $3M, depending on what you can do with Ajinca, either dumping him completely, or turning him into somethign like Jerebko, which saves you $1M and gives you a guy that can actually play.
I'd like Grant as the point guard. good defender, and i'm sure can improve on his open 3's.
I'd like Grant as the point guard. good defender, and i'm sure can improve on his open 3's.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:36 am to TeddyPadillac
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What's the point in that?
Dancing around the tax. Next year is the last year they can possibly avoid the tax with this core. At some point they're going to have to bite the bullet and add a Fournier type and go into the tax and hope they sell enough playoff tickets and Boogie and AD jerseys to make up for it. Maxing out the home games in a 1st and 2nd round series this year would certainly help the argument for improving the team being a good investment.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 9:37 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:52 am to PelicansBay
Why on earth would the Bulls make that trade? Thats two productive players for 4 guys who do absolutely nothing and a first somewhere around 18.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:01 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Step 1 - Dump Ajinca in the summer like QPon. A savings of $5.2 million
Step 2 - Trade Asik mid-january. If you do it by the halfway point only half of his salary goes against the tax. You save $5.6 million and since the team you dump him on is only taking $5.6 million this year and $3 next, you could probably pay something like Diallo + $5 million cash, which is much better than burning a first. You also shed another $1.5 million moving Diallo in the dump.
So that's a total payroll savings of $11.5 million. You start the season before these trades with a payroll of 125.1 million, about $2 million over the tax line, so you effectively have $9.5 million to play with. That should cover most or all of the Taxpayer MLE and 3-4 minimums.
I was thinking of making this same post driving to work and get here to see it made already.
I think they can avoid the tax next year this way if you want. But it also allows for you to eat half of Asik's salary and then use him, E'twaun, the 2019 1st and the 2018 1st pick to make a more serious kind of move.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:05 am to Not Cooper
quote:
From Crewz on Twitter
Asik, Ajinca, Nelson, 2018 lotto protected first, 2020 lotto protected first
for
Carroll, Dinwiddie, Zeller, Toronto's 2018 1st
Nets move up about 10 picks in this draft plus add a future 1st for 3 guys who won't be there when they are good anyway
I would do that deal. You still have a 1st this year to add cheap depth or package with Carroll for something else, plus you get 2 cheap rotation players in Dinwiddie and Zeller that have another year on their deals.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:12 am to TigerinATL
Yeah I'd do that too. You replace two guys who can't play with three who can help you and still have a first rounder this year. I feel like you might have to drop the protections on the pick this year and make it a straight up pick swap, but it's not a bad deal.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:17 am to TigerinATL
I do that deal all day
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:19 am to TigerinATL
quote:
I would do that deal. You still have a 1st this year to add cheap depth or package with Carroll for something else, plus you get 2 cheap rotation players in Dinwiddie and Zeller that have another year on their deals.
That is much more interesting. That makes a difference this year and next. I think Zeller can be a fine backup big, Caroll gives us depth on the wing, and Dinwiddie would be really great starting with Jrue.
It allows us to not go very far into the tax next season and possibly even still avoid it depending on the numbers.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:35 am to TigerinATL
I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.
Dinwiddie/Jackson
Jrue/Moore
Solo/Carroll/Miller
AD/Diallo
Cousins/Zeller
Problem is that roster has 11 players, and it's at $126M, which will be in the tax by about $3M or $4M.
I would imagine if they did this, Moore/Carroll/Solo, one of them has got to go in the offseason to clear some room to bring in some minimum contracts and stay under the tax.
Dinwiddie/Jackson
Jrue/Moore
Solo/Carroll/Miller
AD/Diallo
Cousins/Zeller
Problem is that roster has 11 players, and it's at $126M, which will be in the tax by about $3M or $4M.
I would imagine if they did this, Moore/Carroll/Solo, one of them has got to go in the offseason to clear some room to bring in some minimum contracts and stay under the tax.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:37 am to TigerinATL
Where do I sign?
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