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re: Off Season Trade Chatter
Posted on 6/25/23 at 1:44 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Posted on 6/25/23 at 1:44 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Phoenix Suns are moving forward with the plan of keeping Deandre Ayton to play alongside Devin Booker, Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport.
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Suns believe Ayton’s value to the franchise is at an all-time high with the additions of Beal and Durant. Phoenix wants to see them play together.
Aka nobody wants to trade for him.
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 2:40 pm to jmcwhrter
So far been terrible luck. But I struggle to see what could have been better other than landing at pick 2 in 2019 (bc we had pick 4 and we passed on Garland)
Ja has basically been 70% healthier, has scored 50 plus points in playoff games, can score from all 3 levels at times, can’t defend 1 v 1, but is so athletic and smart (basketball IQ, not life IQ) that he raises hell in passing lanes and w chasedown blocks, was seemingly great teammate and happy to be in Memphis
Then whatever the frick happened this past year, happened.
I still think there are much better odds of Ja having a meaningful nba career than Zion.
Ja has basically been 70% healthier, has scored 50 plus points in playoff games, can score from all 3 levels at times, can’t defend 1 v 1, but is so athletic and smart (basketball IQ, not life IQ) that he raises hell in passing lanes and w chasedown blocks, was seemingly great teammate and happy to be in Memphis
Then whatever the frick happened this past year, happened.
I still think there are much better odds of Ja having a meaningful nba career than Zion.
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 6/25/23 at 2:44 pm to 3PieceSpicy
By far better odds.
Zion may be “retired” before his contract expires.
Zion may be “retired” before his contract expires.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 3:03 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:Also not as good at basketball as Zion.
Ja has basically been 70% healthier, has scored 50 plus points in playoff games, can score from all 3 levels at times, can’t defend 1 v 1, but is so athletic and smart (basketball IQ, not life IQ) that he raises hell in passing lanes and w chasedown blocks, was seemingly great teammate and happy to be in Memphis
Also, his team is not as good when he's on the court compared to Zion's team when Zion is on the court.
Hard pass.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 3:43 pm to shel311
Naz Reid signs extension with Minnesota
Posted on 6/25/23 at 3:44 pm to shel311
He is like trae young
A borderline elite individual player, but he doesn't contribute to winning basketball for whatever reason.
A borderline elite individual player, but he doesn't contribute to winning basketball for whatever reason.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 4:07 pm to shel311
3/42 is a solid deal for Reid. I wonder if they’re going to trade KAT.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 4:13 pm to duyp
A little more than I thought he'd get.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 4:13 pm to duyp
How much money do they have tied up at C/PF?
Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:01 pm to shel311
People underrate Ja. He’s a great point guard, can hit 5 threes or more when he’s hot. He has a floater. He can score 50 plus points. His best offensively is better than everyone in the league minus 5-6 players.
The main thing is availability. Even with his own injuries and suspensions, he plays so much more than Zion.
248 games Vs 114 games
19 playoff games vs 0
Multiple Play in Games vs 0
And this is with an 8 game suspension mixed in.
Just bc Memphis can win games without him, doesn’t mean he’s bad. That simply illustrates the Memphis GM has done a better job than Griff with the team (without ever getting to trade for an AD or Jrue haul).
The main thing is availability. Even with his own injuries and suspensions, he plays so much more than Zion.
248 games Vs 114 games
19 playoff games vs 0
Multiple Play in Games vs 0
And this is with an 8 game suspension mixed in.
Just bc Memphis can win games without him, doesn’t mean he’s bad. That simply illustrates the Memphis GM has done a better job than Griff with the team (without ever getting to trade for an AD or Jrue haul).
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:11 pm to htran90
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A borderline elite individual player,
Naz Reid? He's a good tole player, but "borderline elite" is a hell of a stretch.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:23 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:Good, certainly not great.
People underrate Ja. He’s a great point guard
quote:He played 61 games, he hit 5 3s a total of 3 times, and 4 3s only twice. 54 of 61 games he made 3 or less 3s. He's also made 3s a total of 5 times in his 248 game career, once every 50 games.
can hit 5 threes or more when he’s hot
quote:This is wild. He was by far the least efficient scorer of all the dudes we think are the best 20-30 dudes in the NBA.
He has a floater. He can score 50 plus points. His best offensively is better than everyone in the league minus 5-6 players.
Jokic, Embiid, Lebron, Dame, Booker, Tatum... And I'll stop at 6 off the top of my head, but there's a shite ton more.
quote:Again, when Zion is on the court over for 4 years now, the Pels are better at basketball than 4 years of Ja on the court with the Grizzlies. Not my opinion, that's a fact. But the fact that 1 team falls apart without Zion while the Grizzlies don't really skip a beat is important because it shows its even more impressive that Zion's team can be better than Ja's when both are on the court.
Just bc Memphis can win games without him, doesn’t mean he’s bad.
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 6/26/23 at 1:56 am to 3PieceSpicy
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That simply illustrates the Memphis GM has done a better job than Griff with the team (without ever getting to trade for an AD or Jrue haul).
I’ve said it a few times on here but also look at what the Cavs gm has also done with out getting those hauls.
Got Garland when Griff had the chance but passed, got Lauri M for very littje after Griff passed not once but twice on acquiring him. Traded for Jarret Allen while Griff traded for Steven Adams that same year.
Then he flipped Lauri and other assets for an all nba player in his prime. It’s weird but the Cavs gm has acquired almost all the players that I said on here that Griff should have gotten.
Griff has done less with more than anyone I can remember recently. Other gm’s are running circles around him.
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 2:12 am
Posted on 6/26/23 at 8:50 am to Townedrunkard
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It’s weird but the Cavs gm has acquired almost all the players that I said on here that Griff should have gotten.
i get your point, and agree, but are the Cavs some kind of title contender?
We are still a better team than them when healthy.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 8:52 am to TeddyPadillac
Figured i'd put it here instead of starting a Garrett Temple thread, but we have until June 30th to decide if we are keeping him this upcoming year or not. Seems like this decision should have already been made by now.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 9:42 am to Townedrunkard
The Cavs didn’t just swap Lauri, they traded their first round pick, three more unprotected firsts, two picks swaps, and Colin Sexton. All to lose 4-1 in the first round to the Knicks. Is this really the example we want to go with in this conversation?
Posted on 6/26/23 at 10:05 am to TeddyPadillac
I don't think it's anything to do with them choosing whether or not they are going to keep him. I think it's that they are looking at trade possibilities and want to include his salary in a deal. The other team could then let him go.
Odds are he is gone either way
Odds are he is gone either way
Posted on 6/26/23 at 10:15 am to Townedrunkard
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Got Garland when Griff had the chance but passed, got Lauri M for very littje after Griff passed not once but twice on acquiring him. Traded for Jarret Allen while Griff traded for Steven Adams that same year.
Then he flipped Lauri and other assets for an all nba player in his prime.
This isn’t quite right. We traded for adams as part of the Holiday trade in the 2020 offseason, essentially getting Adams for 2nds and Kenny Hustle. Allen was traded as part of the Harden trade at the 2021 trade deadline. The Cavs gave up Exum (bust), an unprotected future 1st, and took on Prince’s contract. Then paid Allen 5/100m because he was expiring. I think that move worked out fine for the Cavs, but let’s not get too revisionist
Posted on 6/26/23 at 10:24 am to Baron
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essentially getting Adams for 2nds and Kenny Hustle.
Not true.
We let OKC take the 24th pick in 2020 draft from the Bucks to get Adams.
They traded that pick to Denver for a future 1st.
Denver picked RJ Hampton. Immanuel Quickley was 25th. Payton Pritchard was 26th. Jaden Daniels was 28th. Desmond Bane was 30th.
we also gave them George Hill, and kept Bledsoe, and George Hill was traded to Philly for 2 2nds. We had to move down in one draft and give up a future 1st to get rid of Adams and Bledsoe. We were extremely lucky to have the Lakers finish 8th in the lottery and got to keep that top 10 protected future 1st.
Memphis was able to trade Bledsoe days later to the Clippers without giving up anything, and got back Rondo and Beverly. They waived Rondo, and then sent Beverley to Minny for Culver and Juancho Hernangomez.
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 10:38 am
Posted on 6/26/23 at 10:54 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Probably waiting until the last second to exhaust all possibilities of using that salary in a trade.
Figured i'd put it here instead of starting a Garrett Temple thread, but we have until June 30th to decide if we are keeping him this upcoming year or not. Seems like this decision should have already been made by now.
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