re: Off Season Trade Chatter

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i get your point, and agree, but are the Cavs some kind of title contender? We are still a better team than them when healthy.

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They were in the playoffs, and had a better record this year. Without being gifted the supposed greatest generational talent since Lebron, an all nba player most agreed was the best 4 in the league, and another former all star, already on the roster.

But you trying to argue that hey we will be better if we are healthy though? Compare what the Cavs gm started with to what Griff started with, and that’s your argument, they not title contenders though?

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This isn’t quite right. We traded for adams as part of the Holiday trade in the 2020 offseason, essentially getting Adams for 2nds and Kenny Hustle

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This is wrong. Griff gave up a first for Adams, he included him in the trade but it started off as a separate deal.

Allen came available later that off-season when Harden wanted out and showed up out of shape etc. If Griff didn’t jump the gun on Adams or was patient and waited, he could have added Allen for what he gave up for Adams.

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And RJ Hampton was released and is not on an NBA roster.

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that doesn't mean that's who we would have picked.
Immanuel Quickley was 25th. Payton Pritchard was 26th. Jaden Daniels was 28th. Desmond Bane was 30th.

Since we already picked Kira, Daniels/Bane/Oturo/Vernon Carey is who i'd expect to have picked. Draft is a crapshoot, i know.

the point is people look at that trade like he was part of the Jrue trade, but we essentially traded a late 1st, Kenny Hustle, and 2 2nds (George Hill) to get him.
Of everythign we got back for Jrue, we really didn't get jack shite. We've been able to use the 25 1st to get CJ, we gave up assets to get Adams, then had to give up assets to get rid of him, we had to give up assets to get rid of Bledsoe even though Memphis was able to get rid of him without giving up assets days later.

When it's all said and done looking at what we got for Jrue, we basically got 1 1st from them, since we essentially negated the other 1st we got from them b/c we had to give up our own 1st to get rid of the two dweebs they gave us for Jrue. the pick swaps are worthless.

If you are going to blame Griff for Desmond Bane, then you need to hate every gm in the NBA. Every team passed on him. Trading the 24th pick for Adam’s was a good swap. Trading Adams for Jonas was also a good swap IMO. The Devonte Graham trade was a rough deal, but if your point is Griff sucks at his job because he traded the 24th pick (which became RJ friggin Hampton) for Steven Adams and now Jonas, then we will have to agree to disagree.

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If you are going to blame Griff for Desmond Bane, then you need to hate every gm in the NBA

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not at all what i said.

The point was we traded a late 1st, George Hill (2 2nds), and Kenny Hustle for Steven Adams. I'm not here to play revisionist history on draft picks. I was simply pointing out what the possibilities were for that draft pick. Doesn't matter if we drafted a dud or Bane, the point is we traded that pick for Adams, who we had to use more assets to get rid of. We didn't get Adams for Jrue. We had to give up assets we got from Jrue to get Adams.

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Trading the 24th pick for Adam’s was a good swap.

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I do'nt disagree, at the time.

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Trading Adams for Jonas was also a good swap IMO

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I agree. But we still had to give up assets to get rid of Adams/Bledsoe.

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he Devonte Graham trade was a rough deal

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it was terrible, not b/c Graham didn't perform for us, but b/c it was absolutely asinine to give up a 1st to sign a rfa that was never going to have his contract matched by his team, and then on top of the fact that you gave up a 1st to sign him, you went and let Lonzo go for absolutely nothing.

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but if your point is Griff sucks at his job because he traded the 24th pick (which became RJ friggin Hampton) for Steven Adams and now Jonas, then we will have to agree to disagree.

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that is reason one of many, not the reason. C'mon man. As if i'm basing my angst towards Griff simply b/c of that. The dude drafted Anthony Bennett. He's got plenty of dumb decisions in his history. He's a moron and shouldn't be in charge of an NBA team transactions when it comes to draft picks, trades, Free Agency.

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The point stands that we have a non playoff team without Zion, and the Cavs built a 50 win team mostly with pieces that Griff had the chance to surround Zion with. That’s the point.

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You essentially repeated what I said in my post you replied to.

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You essentially repeated what I said in my post you replied to.

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No I didn’t. Think we miss the playoffs with Garland and Lauri M on this team?

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No I didn’t. Think we miss the playoffs with Garland and Lauri M on this team?

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Fair point, but we aren't winning anything with that hypothetical group, just like we aren't winning anything with this current group and no Zion.

ESPN Sources: The Hawks are finalizing a trade to send F/C John Collins to the Jazz for Rudy Gay and a future second-round pick. Atlanta’s largely unloading Collins’ three years, $78M for some roster building flexibility and alignment with looming changes to salary cap.

I guess that means Capella isn't available now?