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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:01 pm to PELsu
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:01 pm to PELsu
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He will never start at the 5 in the NBA. Again, because he is not strong enough and does not protect the rim.
Do you think Porzingis or Horford are legit 5s as well?
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:03 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Do you think Porzingis or Horford are legit 5s as well?
Compared to Lauri? Yes.
Horford is strong.
Porzingis is just so long.
Lauri is tall but not physical at all.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:05 pm to supe12sta12z
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They don't have to move him if they don't want to. They aren't an apron team and they're better with him than they are without.
I think their focus right now is Garland. To either try to convince Garland and his team to buy in or to look for a deal.
With Mitchell signed, they are pretty much sitting pretty.
Wanted to circle back to this
Nothing you said is incorrect, but I think the easy argument for the Cavs trading Allen is that they are TERRIBLE at the wing for a playoff team. And Mobley is probably a center longterm (if not in the next year or 2) so you likely need to split up Allen and Mobley at some point anyway.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
Lauri nor Zion are paint protectors nor rim deterrent players. The whole point of not keeping JV was this fact and he wasn't a switchable defender. Lauri will not be consistently successful trying to defend the Centers in the Souhwest, except for maybe Lively to a degree, let alone the elite 5's, Jokic, Embiid and he definitely would be at a disadvantage to pull down 10+ boards a night that we must have to maintain a Top 10 defense.
The goal is to put our best players in the best position to succeed. Putting Lauri at the 5 is putting him at a disadvantage defensively. I know positionless basketball and small ball is the norm, but you can see the League is creeping back to some semblance of the big, traditional Center, preferably close to or over 7' foot. Does anybody expect Lauri to be successful guarding Wemby or even Edey, all game?
The goal is to put our best players in the best position to succeed. Putting Lauri at the 5 is putting him at a disadvantage defensively. I know positionless basketball and small ball is the norm, but you can see the League is creeping back to some semblance of the big, traditional Center, preferably close to or over 7' foot. Does anybody expect Lauri to be successful guarding Wemby or even Edey, all game?
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:06 pm to ghost2most
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Compared to Lauri? Yes. Horford is strong. Porzingis is just so long. Lauri is tall but not physical at all.
Porzingis is not physical either and is the same weight and barely 2 inches taller. Lauri and KP is a pretty solid comparison.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:07 pm to supe12sta12z
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Mo Wagner returns to Orlando as expected. Market is drying up quick.
Mo Wagner
Goga
Isaac
WCJ
Looks like WCJ is the odd man out, they aren’t gonna roll with 4 centers surely
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:07 pm to Ijuschill1
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Does anybody expect Lauri to be successful guarding Wemby or even Edey, all game?
No one can guard Wemby. Your expectations of Edey are a bit too high.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:08 pm to Pels_Yaz
Bruh what does Ainge want for Kessler
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:08 pm to jamal
Four Hawaiian islands and your firstborn.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:09 pm to teke184
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Four Hawaiian islands and your firstborn.
He'd probably want your second born too but settle for the wife.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:10 pm to supe12sta12z
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Mo Wagner returns to Orlando as expected. Market is drying up quick.
Hmmmm...Mo Wagner and Goga Bitadze were both re-signed by Orlando to go along with Jonathan Isaac, who they are known to think very highly of...All this despite having a certain center under contract for $11 million a year for the next 2 seasons...seems like a lot of congestion at that position IF they kept all 4...
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:14 pm to DallasTiger45
Yeah WCJ is getting traded. That was pretty much confirmed yesterday with Isaac extension and Goga. Wagner bros were going to stay together.
I really hope we are targeting WCJ to be our backup PF/ C.
I really hope we are targeting WCJ to be our backup PF/ C.
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:18 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Your expectations of Edey are a bit too high.
Your denial of player's attributes and physics is near-sighted.
Edey is over 300 pounds and 7'4. If you don't think Edey will just back to the basket and just back down Lauri to an easy half hook lay in or likely a dunk or two with Lauri draping on him, but more important Lauri would get in early foul trouble against Edey and elite centers. Lauri is not physical nor he is mentally wired to be a physical player. He is a finesse player and likes to play a good bit on the perimeter.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:21 pm to Ijuschill1
quote:I just love how everyone’s examples for why Lauri would be a bad center are the 2x MVP Jokic and pound for pound the biggest dude in the league who may not even play much
Edey is over 300 pounds and 7'4.
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:22 pm to Ijuschill1
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Your denial of player's attributes and physics is near-sighted. Edey is over 300 pounds and 7'4. If you don't think Edey will just back to the basket and just back down Lauri to an easy half hook lay in or likely a dunk or two with Lauri draping on him, but more important Lauri would get in early foul trouble against Edey and elite centers. Lauri is not physical nor he is mentally wired to be a physical player. He is a finesse player and likes to play a good bit on the perimeter.
Edey has shown none of this on the NBA level yet and you didn’t even address how he would guard Lauri on the perimeter. You’re also assuming a team built around Ja and JJ will be relying on Edey post ups.
I like Edey but no one has any idea how he will play at the NBA level so lets table aside what he’ll do in some hypothetical situation.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:24 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Probably as our starter.
I really hope we are targeting WCJ to be our backup PF/ C.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:25 pm to Macintosh
We play that biggest dude 4 times a year now. Let alone any potential playoff matchup along with the MVP to try to get to the Finals. Sorry if I have to account for those type of facts in order to reach the intended goal.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:27 pm to Macintosh
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I just love how everyone’s examples for why Lauri would be a bad center are the 2x MVP Jokic and pound for pound the biggest dude in the league
I’ve always loved the argument that players not being able to stop Jokic means it doesn’t matter who plays center. If your 5 man can’t defend centers, can’t defend the rim, and can’t rebound, you are not going to win anything meaningful. Go through the list of teams we are trying to beat.
Lauri is not going to stop AD, Lebron and the Lakers. He’s not going to stop Sabonis, truth is he won’t stop anyone. You can’t win that way.
I won’t keep arguing the same point and muck up the thread. But Bi, picks, $52 million a year to intentionally be at a disadvantage in every game you play? This is not realistic.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:29 pm to Ijuschill1
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We play that biggest dude 4 times a year now. Let alone any potential playoff matchup along with the MVP to try to get to the Finals. Sorry if I have to account for those type of facts in order to reach the intended goal.
Is your goal to just win the center matchup or have a team that becomes a great team and as a unit finds a way to win the title?
Guys like kessler or wcj will not be a be to handle Jokic or Wemby either. I mean Gobert struggled against nuggets and they still won the series.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:29 pm to PELsu
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He’s not going to stop Sabonis, truth is he won’t stop anyone. You can’t win that way.
JV stopped Sabonis. What did we end up winning?
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