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re: Lowe's take on Boogie and his Free Agency
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:19 am to WB504
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:19 am to WB504
Exactly. The league is all about matchups. Fortunately, we got Portland in round one and they couldn't handle our current pace and space system. They did out rebound us way too often, especially on the offensive end. Nurkic also had his way in the low post pretty often, even though Stotts didn't take advantage of it. These things didn't matter in the end, but they also wouldn't have happened if Boogie was healthy and playing.
And if we have to play a team like Utah or Houston, or even Golden St, having Boogie would be a huge advantage.
I do worry about him being able to play in this fast pace system that was worked so well for us. It's worked so well, that you can't abandon it when he comes back. But you also can't just let talent like Boogie walk for nothing. So I'm in favor of a 2+1 deal, then S&T options if Boogie doesn't want to take our offer. Will be very interesting to see how it plays out.
And if we have to play a team like Utah or Houston, or even Golden St, having Boogie would be a huge advantage.
I do worry about him being able to play in this fast pace system that was worked so well for us. It's worked so well, that you can't abandon it when he comes back. But you also can't just let talent like Boogie walk for nothing. So I'm in favor of a 2+1 deal, then S&T options if Boogie doesn't want to take our offer. Will be very interesting to see how it plays out.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:20 am to ScaryClown
I said it in the other thread talking about the ringer article. a sign-and-trade to Washington that looks like Boogie for Porter is very very hard to pass up.
Boogie has relationships with John Wall and Eric Bledsoe and both MIL & WAS could probably be looking to make some roster moves this offseason. So it's possible he'd agree to a S&T to either, netting us Porter or Middleton. Other guys that could be changing teams (i.e. John Wall, Kemba Walker, Kawhi, PG13) seem less likely. However make no mistake, these are the only guys that could be on the move this summer that I'd trade Boogie for. But this is a tricky situation, and it might not be worth the risk to chase after other players for fear of upsetting AD and the current team chemistry. AND what if you could get a Kawhi or PG without giving up Boogie?
I do agree that the Pelicans have an upper hand in this Boogie situation. The Lakers are really the only team with cap space that Boogie would also have mutual interest in joining, esp if another big named guy signs there. But I believe New Orleans, even if you take out all emotion and all connection, is Boogie's #1 landing spot
EDIT: because I dont understand the cap lol
Boogie has relationships with John Wall and Eric Bledsoe and both MIL & WAS could probably be looking to make some roster moves this offseason. So it's possible he'd agree to a S&T to either, netting us Porter or Middleton. Other guys that could be changing teams (i.e. John Wall, Kemba Walker, Kawhi, PG13) seem less likely. However make no mistake, these are the only guys that could be on the move this summer that I'd trade Boogie for. But this is a tricky situation, and it might not be worth the risk to chase after other players for fear of upsetting AD and the current team chemistry. AND what if you could get a Kawhi or PG without giving up Boogie?
I do agree that the Pelicans have an upper hand in this Boogie situation. The Lakers are really the only team with cap space that Boogie would also have mutual interest in joining, esp if another big named guy signs there. But I believe New Orleans, even if you take out all emotion and all connection, is Boogie's #1 landing spot
EDIT: because I dont understand the cap lol
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:20 am to BallHawk
I’m hoping Pels leaked this story to see how much AD pushes back.
Hopefully he says do whatever is best for franchise , I’m good here.
Hopefully he says do whatever is best for franchise , I’m good here.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:20 am to TotesMcGotes
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They just swept the 3 seed in the first round, which is why we're having the conversation in the first place.
Should have said second round my bad.
I've said before we don't need boogie to beat the mid-level/bad teams in this league. We need him if we want to compete with golden states, houstons of the world.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:27 am to Stamps74
Just the opposite. Dell told Lowe his info was off before he published it and Lowe published it anyway.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:27 am to Sauce Castieaux
CP3 has a lot of issues with the front office. Pretty sure the two big ones were not resigning Jannero Pargo and then trading Chandler, who was thought to have a degenerative foot condition by the medical staff.
The Pargo issue was Pargo getting a better offer to play on a Russian team though he never saw the money he was promised. That was Pargo fricking up.
Chandler? Exhibit A of how godawful the team medical staff has been since he turned out to have a lot of life left to him between taking Charlotte to the playoffs and winning a ring in Dallas.
The Pargo issue was Pargo getting a better offer to play on a Russian team though he never saw the money he was promised. That was Pargo fricking up.
Chandler? Exhibit A of how godawful the team medical staff has been since he turned out to have a lot of life left to him between taking Charlotte to the playoffs and winning a ring in Dallas.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:29 am to Crewz
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Just the opposite. Dell told Lowe his info was off before he published it and Lowe published it anyway.
sounds like a very Zach Lowe/ESPN type move
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:31 am to Crewz
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Dell told Lowe his info was off before he published it and Lowe published it anyway.
Well now I feel better.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:33 am to Crewz
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Dell told Lowe his info was off before he published it and Lowe published it anyway.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:39 am to Fun Bunch
What info? That we’ve discussed a 2 + 1 deal? That better not fricking be wrong. Demps should be fired on the spot if we aren’t at least considering that. Maybe Boogie refuses it, but it’s the best move for us.
Whatever happens you have to bring AD in and talk to him. Point out the potential difficulties of giving Cousins the 4 year max deal, emphasize how much we want Cousins but look how good we’ve been with you at center. We’re going to try our best to resign him, but make sure AD is on board and understands that if Cousins demands the 4 year max we may have to go another direction.
Whatever happens you have to bring AD in and talk to him. Point out the potential difficulties of giving Cousins the 4 year max deal, emphasize how much we want Cousins but look how good we’ve been with you at center. We’re going to try our best to resign him, but make sure AD is on board and understands that if Cousins demands the 4 year max we may have to go another direction.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 11:43 am
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:50 am to tigerfan88
Guys, we're going to re-sign Boogie.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:51 am to DeionDeion
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a sign-and-trade to Washington that looks like Boogie/Solo for Porter/Morris/Gortat would be very very difficult for me to pass up
That cannot happen. Teams above the Apron cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade transaction. Salary is determined at the conclusion of the transaction. If Boogie is maxed we are at ~$137M depending on what Rondo gets. So we need to shed or take back less ~$10M before the conclusion of any S&T. So it would look like a max Boogie/Anjiica for Otto, but then that may give WAS issues.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:54 am to NOFOX
got it. I thought there would be cap restrictions for both Washington and us but I wasn't sure of the implications
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:04 pm to DeionDeion
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got it. I thought there would be cap restrictions for both Washington and us but I wasn't sure of the implications
It makes S&T's between us and WAS more difficult because we are both so close to the apron. Realistically if we are going to S&T Boogie, then we would probably need to shed salary to a 3rd team.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:10 pm to NOFOX
so a S&T would basically look like us receiving 10 mil less than what goes out and the other team having enough cap to absorb that extra 10 mil?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:17 pm to DeionDeion
ETA - Scratch all of that. Forgot to read the footnote. Only the team receiving the S&T player cannot end up over the Apron. So we can end up over, but Washington cannot.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:22 pm to NOFOX
I like the idea of being multiple on offense. How many teams can say they have 2 offensive styles you gotta prepare for?
Most importantly though, Dell gets to see how far this team as constructed is capable of going as do other possible free agents around the league. We’re in a good spot to chill and see how it plays out this year.
RELAX.
Most importantly though, Dell gets to see how far this team as constructed is capable of going as do other possible free agents around the league. We’re in a good spot to chill and see how it plays out this year.
RELAX.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:24 pm to klew5
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I like the idea of being multiple on offense. How many teams can say they have 2 offensive styles you gotta prepare for?
On paper, it's fantastic. But how will Boogie react when he's the odd man out in crunch time against most teams?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:27 pm to MrPel
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Bring him back. Why the frick would we trade away 2 firsts to use him for half a year. frick that. Give him a 2 year deal with a player option for year 3.
This thinking is what got us stuck with Omer and EG
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:32 pm to whatiknowsofar
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What does AD want to do? Whatever that answer is should be what we do
This is the bottom line. With our recent success, talking about both options is fun from strictly a basketball strategy perspective, and there are valid arguments on both sides....but from a reality perspective, yours is the only valid answer.
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