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re: Lowe's take on Boogie and his Free Agency
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:12 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:12 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Am I nuts for saying that I wouldn't want to lose Mirotic in any proposed PG13 deal?
Yes. PG-13>Niko, especially if you have Boogie.
Rondo
Jrue
PG-13
AD
DC
Boogie/Rondo might be the weak links on defense, but what team can guard that? You also can't afford to keep Niko long term if you're adding George.
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:15 pm to TigerinATL
I would try to move Niko in a separate deal to get more out of it...don't know how much you'd get with him being an expiring though
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:21 pm to TigerinATL
I'm skeptical that we will have Boogie any time before January.
IF that's the case, what are you doing at Center and backup Big? Tough.
I mean obviously you want to get PG. But losing Mirotic would really hurt.
IF that's the case, what are you doing at Center and backup Big? Tough.
I mean obviously you want to get PG. But losing Mirotic would really hurt.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:33 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
Remember that DWest said the beginning of the end was when they tried to trade Chandler to save money and showed they weren't committed to winning. How's AD going to view trading an MVP candidate level player and BFF for a role playing starter?
this is exactly the situation we want to avoid, and precisely one of the biggest reasons Boogie will be back. Boogie is also the one recruiting PG13 to agree to the sign-and-trade. and with the buzz these Pelicans are creating, you have to ask yourself, if you were the PG13's or the Kawhi's of the NBA, how much convincing would it take to ask your team to engage in a S&T to New Orleans esp when youre being actively recruited by another All-Star that didn't play on that team for half the season?
and here's the kicker, if PG13 comes to Nola, Jrue (age 27), AD (age 25), PG (age 27), and Boogie (age 27) will be locked up in Nola for the foreseeable future. and I don't think there's a role player in the NBA that wouldnt want to take less money to be on that squad
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:45 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
it would be a year, we wouldn't trade him making a run. idk all the nba dumb cap shite but there's a will there could be a way.
I wasn't implying we trade Niko. I was implying Boogie will take half a year to really return to the lineup as a starter with full minutes and even then he probably won't be back to full strength (whatever that may look like with post injury boogie) until the following year where he'd have a full offseason to condition and all that. By then, Niko is gone.
If we resign boogie, people should be prepared to not have the boogie of old back at any point next year. Or maybe ever.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:55 pm to Fun Bunch
definitely would be difficult to navigate without Niko, but I still contest that a group of PG/AD/Mek or even PG/Diallo/AD is a better situation to be in over Solo/Niko/AD. partly because SG/SF is the most important position in basketball, partly bc as incredible as Niko is, PG13 is an established star, and partly because idk how much Niko will command in a year and we already have some damn good players at Niko's position
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:01 pm to MrPel
quote:That's a terrible way to make decisions, not just in the NBA, just in life. Those picks are gone, they are irrelevant to the next step/decision.
Bring him back. Why the frick would we trade away 2 firsts to use him for half a year. frick that.
Oh and also, Boogie didn't have an achilles injury when we signed him, that changes things and muddies up the decision.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:09 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:This is only relevant for me if we could get that AD extension before this decision, which we obviously can't.
What does AD want to do?
Whatever that answer is should be what we do. I can live with cousins on our team if it means AD signs another contract with us.
In the end, winning will trump everything. If we feel we are better off without him, we should move forward without him with the hope to win more to keep AD here.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:12 pm to BilJ
quote:Not IF Boogie wants max years/max money though IMO.
sounds like the debate is not IF you bring him back,but for how much and how long
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:54 pm to DeionDeion
Are you assuming we are sending out Mirotic and Solo for Paul George in this S&T? His salary will be at $30M right. Would need to throw Ajinca in there as well.
I guess that isn't terrible for OKC. They get almost $20M in expirings, and i'm sure we'd have to give at least one pick up.
Hell you might be able to do Mirotic/Moore/Ajinca/Emeka for PG and not have to give up a pick.
OKC wouldn't be a bad team with Russ, Moore, Roberson, Mirotic, Adams.
I guess that isn't terrible for OKC. They get almost $20M in expirings, and i'm sure we'd have to give at least one pick up.
Hell you might be able to do Mirotic/Moore/Ajinca/Emeka for PG and not have to give up a pick.
OKC wouldn't be a bad team with Russ, Moore, Roberson, Mirotic, Adams.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:08 pm to TotesMcGotes
YOu don’t let a player like Boogie go.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:12 pm to Ancient Astronaut
quote:Correct, but the player we are looking to resign is not the Boogie you're speaking of, so now what?
YOu don’t let a player like Boogie go.
Not sure why people are making it out to be such a simple decision, there could be disastrous consequences to signing Boogie to max years/dollars. The 2+1 is the best offer, and if he wants the full 5 years, it may not be in our best interest.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:15 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:We need pre-injury Boogie, yes certainly. We may not be getting pre-injury Boogie.
I've said before we don't need boogie to beat the mid-level/bad teams in this league. We need him if we want to compete with golden states, houstons of the world.
I previously was in the camp that said we had to sign him long term no matter what, but seeing how we've played since he's left has changed my tune, and the 2+1 is the most we should do IMO.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
Yes I think sending out Niko + expiring contracts would be the main reason OKC would come to the table.
For OKC, Russ/Roberson/Melo/Mirotic/Adams is a pretty solid team post PG. They will never be able to replace PG, but Mirotic is a spacer that will allow Russ and Melo be lead dogs & high usage players
For OKC, Russ/Roberson/Melo/Mirotic/Adams is a pretty solid team post PG. They will never be able to replace PG, but Mirotic is a spacer that will allow Russ and Melo be lead dogs & high usage players
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:24 pm to shel311
I think the offers that should be on the table are a 2+1 player option max, a 3+1 team option a little under the max, maybe starting at $27M, and maybe a 4/90M, which i doubt he'd take.
The more you think about it, he's going to want the most money total. The years don't really matter to him. If he come back good, then the years don't matter. If he comes back and can't make it in the league, then he'll be happy with getting the most he could, regardless if it's over 3 years or 4.
So when you think of it that way, the 2+1 max with player option really is the best deal for him, as well as us. Unless someone offers him 4 years guaranteed at more total money, and the only teams that could do that are the Lakers and Mavs, and i honestly don't think they are willing to take that risk to outbid us on a 3 year max contract.
The more you think about it, he's going to want the most money total. The years don't really matter to him. If he come back good, then the years don't matter. If he comes back and can't make it in the league, then he'll be happy with getting the most he could, regardless if it's over 3 years or 4.
So when you think of it that way, the 2+1 max with player option really is the best deal for him, as well as us. Unless someone offers him 4 years guaranteed at more total money, and the only teams that could do that are the Lakers and Mavs, and i honestly don't think they are willing to take that risk to outbid us on a 3 year max contract.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:32 pm to shel311
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The 2+1 is the best offer,
For the Pels. Giving him 4 or 5 years at a max/near max is the best offer for Cousins.
The dilemma the Pels have to figure out- how low can they go w/r/t $$ + years w/o pissing Cousins off, and, more importantly, pissing Davis off. It's similar to Holiday contract situation last summer, though whether they need or get BOOGIE is a much more open question.
If Davis signals he is okay with playing the 5 and the team playing hardball with Cousins, that changes everything. I guess that both of those outcomes are unlikely
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:40 pm to corndeaux
I mean, he can't expect to get a 5 year contract. It sucks for him, really does, but that's not reasonable.
I think if he got 4 years, over $100M, he should be ecstatic.
I'm sure the Pelicans wanted to give him a 5 year max deal before the injury, and hell maybe if he wasn't hurt, maybe he would be the one that might rather want to get a 2+1 deal. It's a business. you can't expect the team to take that kind of risk. If someone else wants to do it, some 4 year near max deal, then i'd say let them. It sucks, and i don't want that to happen, but you have to be smart, and logical about this.
I think if he got 4 years, over $100M, he should be ecstatic.
I'm sure the Pelicans wanted to give him a 5 year max deal before the injury, and hell maybe if he wasn't hurt, maybe he would be the one that might rather want to get a 2+1 deal. It's a business. you can't expect the team to take that kind of risk. If someone else wants to do it, some 4 year near max deal, then i'd say let them. It sucks, and i don't want that to happen, but you have to be smart, and logical about this.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
4/$100 seems reasonable. I think he will want to start no lower than $25M annually and go from there with his 8.5% raises.
This idea that he would want to take a 2+1 to get a higher max as a 30yo big coming off a catastrophic injury is ludicrous to me. It makes sense if you only look at a cap sheet or are a die-hard Pels fan (hence why it's popular here).
Which is fine. I hope the Pels get the best deal possible. I also hope LeBron James signs on in New Orleans. Both would be great, but having neither is ruining nothing
This idea that he would want to take a 2+1 to get a higher max as a 30yo big coming off a catastrophic injury is ludicrous to me. It makes sense if you only look at a cap sheet or are a die-hard Pels fan (hence why it's popular here).
Which is fine. I hope the Pels get the best deal possible. I also hope LeBron James signs on in New Orleans. Both would be great, but having neither is ruining nothing
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:59 pm to Mystery
quote:
We are our best with a healthy boogie.
From a talent standpoint? Yes.
Fit in Gentry’s system? I would say no.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:06 pm to The Pirate King
AD/DC fit is still tbd. We started to see things click. Niko being in the mix with those two makes more a big man rotation that no team can match.
Imagine if we had Boogie right now for the playoffs. Our depth wouldn't really be an issue. Two of AD/DC/Niko would be on the court at all times. They wouldn't play as fast, but they would still be lethal. The one thing I do worry about is how Rondo played with Boogie, because those two together didn't work that well.
Imagine if we had Boogie right now for the playoffs. Our depth wouldn't really be an issue. Two of AD/DC/Niko would be on the court at all times. They wouldn't play as fast, but they would still be lethal. The one thing I do worry about is how Rondo played with Boogie, because those two together didn't work that well.
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