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re: Lowe's take on Boogie and his Free Agency
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:34 pm to TotesMcGotes
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:34 pm to TotesMcGotes
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On paper, it's fantastic. But how will Boogie react when he's the odd man out in crunch time against most teams?
I think he’s capable of playing either style of offense for 5 minutes in crunch time.
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:34 pm to BallHawk
They should offer him what Kyle Lowry got from the Raptors.
3 years 100 mil, 93 guaranteed. Incentives based upon minutes/games played (65 games and 25 mpg to trigger). Give him a player option after year 2 if he wants it.
I think that's fair for all involved. If he plays well, he can get more money after year 2. If he doesn't, the Pels are only on the hook for 3 seasons.
Who am I kidding, Dell is going to offer him a 5 year max
ETA: Also, very similar to the deal that Paul Milsap got with Denver.
3 years 100 mil, 93 guaranteed. Incentives based upon minutes/games played (65 games and 25 mpg to trigger). Give him a player option after year 2 if he wants it.
I think that's fair for all involved. If he plays well, he can get more money after year 2. If he doesn't, the Pels are only on the hook for 3 seasons.
Who am I kidding, Dell is going to offer him a 5 year max
ETA: Also, very similar to the deal that Paul Milsap got with Denver.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:38 pm to klew5
No way. For better or worse, the ball stops with Boogie. He’s a great 1 on 1 player, so it works out a lot. But the current offense doesn’t work as well with Boogie. He doesn’t move like Niko.
Now, some may argue that his positives on the offensive end are better than what Niko gives you, and again, on paper I’d agree. But it’s the other four players on the court who benefit more from having AD play center.
Now, some may argue that his positives on the offensive end are better than what Niko gives you, and again, on paper I’d agree. But it’s the other four players on the court who benefit more from having AD play center.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:46 pm to Chad504boy
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Boogie makes this team more talented. Boogie has been great for locker room. Boogie makes AD happy. Boogie is a big body to be stout under rim. Boogie allows Niko great minutes as a 6th man role. Boogie is a great passer with our shooters spread everywhere. Boogie can score from anywhere on court.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's almost no way we can retain Niko after next year if we resign boogie. So the benefit boogie provides to Niko would only last for about half a year. So that at least should be thrown out of consideration.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:49 pm to Hazelnut
What's the point of another team doing a sign and trade if Boogie signs for less than the max? Anyone can offer him 4/$90M, right? But a sign and trade only makes sense to Boogie if signing a max here and getting paid more than he possibly could anywhere else. Or what am I missing?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:55 pm to tigerfan88
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Whatever happens you have to bring AD in and talk to him. Point out the potential difficulties of giving Cousins the 4 year max deal, emphasize how much we want Cousins but look how good we’ve been with you at center. We’re going to try our best to resign him, but make sure AD is on board and understands that if Cousins demands the 4 year max we may have to go another direction.
It’s 5 year max not 4 Fyi
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:57 pm to TotesMcGotes
In crunch time you put the ball in the hands of your best players.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:57 pm to Parrish
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Or what am I missing?
Not all teams that want him and that he may want to go to have $25M in space to sign him (i.e. Wizards)
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:58 pm to Parrish
The market is pretty dry for teams that need/want a big man (Lakers & Dallas). Even less for above average teams (none that have cap space).
So you look at S&T. I could see Washington and Milwaukee being interested in Boogie and vice versa due to the relationship Boogie has with Wall & Bledsoe.
So you look at S&T. I could see Washington and Milwaukee being interested in Boogie and vice versa due to the relationship Boogie has with Wall & Bledsoe.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 1:05 pm to klew5
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In crunch time you put the ball in the hands of your best players.
So you're sitting Niko in favor of Boogie at the end of games?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 1:07 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Point guard not getting back on defense 3 pt shooting boogie can walk give me 20 & 10 on the blocks boogie if he wants to stay
Posted on 4/24/18 at 1:14 pm to Epic Cajun
And you know what? Offering Boogie a deal immediately is really the best/safest decision to make, I'd prefer it not to be a 5-year deal, but this is Dell we are talking about. All eyes will be on how the Pels organization handles the Boogie situation. We don't want to upset AD & Rondo, and we don't want Boogie to feel like we don't care about him and his rehab. I mean this guy was killing it for us this season and we at least owe him the chance to prove himself.
I still think dumping Solo/Ajinca for Carroll is the best play here. I know we all have our eyes set on bigger fish, but Carroll I think would fit really well into the offense and into our team chemistry. And also remember his contract will be up the same time as Niko's, giving us money to play with.
But at the same time, that trade for Carroll leaves you without a SF again in 2 years with having to decide who you'd rather spend your money on (the answer is Niko). Whereas grabbing PG13, and giving up Niko on the front end could solidify the starting 5 for years to come
I still think dumping Solo/Ajinca for Carroll is the best play here. I know we all have our eyes set on bigger fish, but Carroll I think would fit really well into the offense and into our team chemistry. And also remember his contract will be up the same time as Niko's, giving us money to play with.
But at the same time, that trade for Carroll leaves you without a SF again in 2 years with having to decide who you'd rather spend your money on (the answer is Niko). Whereas grabbing PG13, and giving up Niko on the front end could solidify the starting 5 for years to come
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 1:15 pm to Hazelnut
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So the benefit boogie provides to Niko would only last for about half a year.
it would be a year, we wouldn't trade him making a run. idk all the nba dumb cap shite but there's a will there could be a way.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 1:35 pm to DeionDeion
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I still think dumping Solo/Ajinca for Carroll is the best play here. I know we all have our eyes set on bigger fish, but Carroll I think would fit really well into the offense and into our team chemistry. And also remember his contract will be up the same time as Niko's, giving us money to play with.
I agree with this.
It allows you to get better next year, and allows you to keep Mirotic going forward, if that's somethign they want to do.
Problem with that is after next year, we have no one who can play the 3, and no young player we are grooming to even attempt to play the 3, and no cap space to sign someone to play the 3.
It would have been nice if we didn't let Royce O'Neal sign with Utah. He's having a nice season making nothing.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 1:47 pm to TotesMcGotes
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We’ve found a formula that not only works, but works amazingly well. AD is a lab-created Center in today’s NBA. He’s similar to young Dwight except he’s got the perfect offensive game for a
We win one series against a team that doesn’t match up very well against us and we get cute and think we’re world beaters now, don’t overthink this, if u have a chance to get a top 15 talent on your team you take that chance whether you trade him for more assets or you use his talents. Do not let this man walk.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 1:49 pm to Louisianabound88
If GSW comes in and peckerslams us again, people will be clamoring to throw whatever at Boogie. Its a reactionary world.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 1:54 pm to Fun Bunch
If I were GM without consequence, I would stay they course, even if they got swept by GS. Do your best to upgrade your bench, E’Twuan, and Solo.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 1:58 pm to Fun Bunch
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If GSW comes in and peckerslams us again, people will be clamoring to throw whatever at Boogie. Its a reactionary world.
If they push the Warriors to seven or somehow win it will be nice having Boogie on board to recruit Paul George. This is a coin toss. The risk is higher with Boogie but so is the ceiling. There also are likely deal breaking team politics consequences to not bringing back Boogie. Remember that DWest said the beginning of the end was when they tried to trade Chandler to save money and showed they weren't committed to winning. How's AD going to view trading an MVP candidate level player and BFF for a role playing starter?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:03 pm to TigerinATL
Am I nuts for saying that I wouldn't want to lose Mirotic in any proposed PG13 deal?
I think we absolutely have to have Mirotic next year until at least the All-Star Break.
I'd give up any combo of Moore Hill Ajinca Diallo Jackson 1st Round picks in 2019 and/or 2021 before I even try to move Mirotic.
I think we absolutely have to have Mirotic next year until at least the All-Star Break.
I'd give up any combo of Moore Hill Ajinca Diallo Jackson 1st Round picks in 2019 and/or 2021 before I even try to move Mirotic.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:06 pm to Fun Bunch
I agree with you Bunch, but the question becomes what do you with Niko past 2018-2019? He's going to be costly. Do we want $20m per year for AD, Boogie, and Niko? I would hope his market his dry by that time we can offer less.
He's extremely valuable next season.
He's extremely valuable next season.
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