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re: Griff: BI is "mechanically incapable" of being traded under the new CBA rules
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:06 am to PELsu
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:06 am to PELsu
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They are going to have two new starters out of five at minimum.
They'll have one new starter for sure, a massive downgrade at the center position.
We'll see what happens on who's not starting between Murray/CJ/Herb, b/c one of them isn't going to start.
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They've removed rotational players in Dyson Daniels, Naji, Jonas and Nance
They replaced JV with a huge downgrade in Theis
They replaced Nance with a 21st pick rookie
The replaced Dyson/Naji with Murray, which while an obvious upgrade, still leaves us thin defensively on the wing, but don't worry JRE and Matt Ryan will take their place. Dyson and Naji are going to play starter minutes in ATL and DAL. JRE shouldn't be on an nba roster, and Matt Ryan is a fringe NBA player.
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:09 am to TeddyPadillac
Are you truly of the opinion that Murray is not going to start?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:11 am to teke184
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Well, he’s not wrong…
He is wrong. Almost every team could trade for Ingram right now. No one wants to because no one wants to give him the 30% max he is demanding. Compared to the last CBA, maybe a couple of the big spending teams would've rolled the dice, but they still would be paying massive tax bills for a player that provides limited on court impact.
Teams would give him a 25% max, but 30% for Ingram's play is an anchor.
Ingram acts and plays like a #1, but if he's your #1 then you are capped at a 1st round exit.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:17 am to supe12sta12z
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It means he'd rather let BI walk than swallow his pride and look bad losing a trade of BI's caliber.
Exactly. If you’re not extending him, then accept sunk cost and trade him. Otherwise letting him play out his contract and walk is absolutely moronic. But its also on par with what Griffin does- I swear no other NBA owner would let him get away with this.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:19 am to NOFOX
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Teams would give him a 25% max, but 30% for Ingram's play is an anchor.
I don't believe this. I don't see anyone offering him over 30-35M. We might be the only team willing to hit the high side of that, just to secure an asset. We are obviously far apart with him..
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:39 am to NOFOX
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He is wrong. Almost every team could trade for Ingram right now.
We are hard capped at the first apron and less than a million dollars below it. That means that we essentially can not take back more money than we send out.
Many teams are either over the aprons, or hard capped and up to the aprons, meaning they too can not take back more than they can send out.
So you end up in a situation where the salaries have to basically match exactly, as well as the actual player talent. That eliminates a third to a half of the league.
The bigger issue we are seeing is that about a third of the league does not want to win basketball games this year. The 2025 draft has so many teams intentionally not trying to get better. Of course Charlotte, San Antonio, Detroit and on and on would love to have a Brandon Ingram. In most seasons they would be all for it. But this draft is too strong and these teams are locked into the long game. It is extremely rare for so many bad teams to actively not try and get better in the offseason.
I realize fan stands for fanatics, but I really wish our fan base could be a tad less dramatic. Take a step back, take a deep breath, and maybe go look at the stats and what Brandon has done for this team over the past five years. We will be more than ok keeping one of our best players at 26 years old.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:45 am to PELsu
i fully expect ingram to have a beginning of the year soreness.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:53 am to NOFOX
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the other 29 teams also do not want to give BI a 30% max, but he is blaming it on the new CBA becuase that's en vogue at the moment for execs.
That literally did just start
I mean the Clippers of all teams let PG go over a similar issue. They have infinite money.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:55 am to Pels_Yaz
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Exactly. If you’re not extending him, then accept sunk cost and trade him. Otherwise letting him play out his contract and walk is absolutely moronic. But its also on par with what Griffin does- I swear no other NBA owner would let him get away with this.
It's so stupid. He's a bad fit on this roster, we don't have a center, and there's too many mouths to feed.
This situation seems to be just as big of a shot to Griff's ego as it is BI's. Griff has widely been reported to be a huge BI fan and now the guy has little to no value. That must be a hard pill to swallow if you're Griff
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Not why they let PG go. They did not want to guarantee a 4th year because of his age. They were still going to pay him at least what Kawhi got but did not want to extend his deal longer.
I mean the Clippers of all teams let PG go over a similar issue. They have infinite money.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:01 am to whatiknowsofar
When did the Pels move to the WNBA?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:16 am to Fun Bunch
So basically it’s another year with BI running the clock out in games where we need a bucket to win and he clunks another fifth teen foot jumper. Run it back
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:20 am to PELsu
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Are you truly of the opinion that Murray is not going to start?
I 100% believe he should be an unquestionable starter, just like BI and Zion should be.
There is no circumstance where Zion or BI come off the bench.
Willie loves CJ and vets, and CJ just came out about the disrespect Klay got from the Warriors moving him to the bench.
Herb just made 1st team all defense and shot 42% from 3. How can you not start that guy? He'd start for every single team in the NBA without a question except Boston.
Murray should without a doubt be the starting PG, but i just feel Willie will find it easier to ask Murray to come off the bench than CJ, evn though the obvious decision here should be that CJ comes off the bench.
We all sit here and discuss starters and act like it's not a big deal, but it's a big deal to NBA guys. Trey is not happy about not starting. One of CJ/Herb/Murray is going to be not happy about not starting. It's just the reality of NBA guys.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:28 am to TeddyPadillac
Well, sounds like we are mostly on the same page. I think the "starter" question is a WAY bigger deal than any basketball question. Anyone acting like having BI is bad for basketball or us winning has lost their grasp on reality.
But TWO of Murray, Herb, BI, CJ and Trey sitting the bench is a big freaking deal.
And while I have very strong opinions on it, I don't want to act like I know 100% for sure what the final result will be.
But TWO of Murray, Herb, BI, CJ and Trey sitting the bench is a big freaking deal.
And while I have very strong opinions on it, I don't want to act like I know 100% for sure what the final result will be.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:29 am to TeddyPadillac
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We all sit here and discuss starters and act like it's not a big deal, but it's a big deal to NBA guys. Trey is not happy about not starting. One of CJ/Herb/Murray is going to be not happy about not starting. It's just the reality of NBA guys.
Yup. If we’re a top 3 team then everyone swallows their pride and is ok with this. But if we’re being realistic, if we’re in the bottom of the west playoff race then those guys are going to be severely pissed with reduced minutes and bench role. This roster needs to be consolidated into a more effective roster that makes sense. This is ALL on Griffin. Willie got a lot of heat last season and deservedly so but if shite hits the can next season- Griffin should be feeling the hot seat.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:35 am to Fun Bunch
quote:This is just Griff's spin on "nobody wants BI"
Griff: BI is "mechanically incapable" of being traded under the new CBA rules
Nobody wants BI, and thus it is "mechanically impossible" to trade for him because it is illegal to send a guy to a team no one wants. Tada!
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:05 pm to PELsu
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We are hard capped at the first apron and less than a million dollars below it. That means that we essentially can not take back more money than we send out.
People know enough about the CBA to get themselves all mixed up
We are not less than a million dollars below the first apron, we are pretty much right at the tax line, the first apron is ~8 million dollars above the tax line.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:10 pm to Fun Bunch
Why is Griff saying this publicly and why is he the mouthpiece for the team?
Bryson Graham — GM
Bryson Graham — GM
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:13 pm to PELsu
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But TWO of Murray, Herb, BI, CJ and Trey sitting the bench is a big freaking deal.
They are potentially alleviating some of that by not trading for a center, they may start games with no real center on the court. I don't think that's very smart, or what I would do, but that may be the route they go.
DJ is going to start, I would say behind Zion he is the most locked in starter. How stupid would they look if one of their goals of the offseason was to get a primary ballhandler, then trade for that ballhandler and not start him. It's a no brainer that he starts.
Herb, IMO, is the next most important starter. Especially if we don't trade for a better center. We have to have solid perimeter defense.
As for the other 1 (or potentially 2) starting positions, I could see arguments for all three of the remaining players. I would think BI is probably the most likely to start out of those 3, but IMO it would be stupid to give a starting spot and minutes to a disgruntled player who is likely to be walking away after the season. If they are just going on talent, he clearly starts over CJ and Trey.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:14 pm to Stamps74
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Bryson Graham — GM
Griff is his boss, Griff still calls the shots for the team. Same situation as when Trajan was here.
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