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re: Do you think Griff and the front office are satisfied with just beating average/bad teams?
Posted on 1/28/24 at 1:05 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Posted on 1/28/24 at 1:05 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Shoulda started goin' after Mikal Bridges last year around Christmas
Lol wut?
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Posted on 1/28/24 at 1:52 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I feel like you are going to have to send out something like BI, Daniels, and multiple 1st for someone.
Need to try and keep Herb, Hawkins, and CJ to be shooters.
What would it take for Markaneen? That seems like the best fit since he is a long high volume 3pt shooter. I guess Bridges could be good depending on what you give up.
Need to try and keep Herb, Hawkins, and CJ to be shooters.
What would it take for Markaneen? That seems like the best fit since he is a long high volume 3pt shooter. I guess Bridges could be good depending on what you give up.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 1:57 pm to Colonel Flagg
Pelicans are 0-6 in games that finished within 3 points. Only team in the league without a win in that scenario. That shows we have nobody that can finish games
Posted on 1/28/24 at 2:03 pm to Broski
I'm still in on Zion and BI, just they've been miscast in their roles with the Pels awkward roster construction. They've basically been playing without a PF and it clearly shows in high-intensity games. Pels have plenty of shooting around them with CJ, TM3, Hawkins, Ryan, and I dare say short-corner Herb, they just need an athletic banger to maximize their skill-sets. The Pels would get fleeced in any deal for them this year, and trust if you lose one you'll soon lose the other.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 3:15 pm to shel311
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Not so fast, Scoot!
Hey hes turning a corner, maybe slower than I thought but still!
Posted on 1/28/24 at 4:34 pm to Pels_Yaz
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it as simple as swapping BI for someone? A new coach?
Honestly I think so. But Griff has a hard on for BI.
You think this team and zion are going to flip a switch if bi gets traded?
Posted on 1/28/24 at 4:39 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Blame the org, and to a lesser extent Z. Ingram is a really good player that we put bad players and coaches for him to work with. I think Willie is a really good coach, but with the lack of talent Ingram had around him for so long, he went all in on his game and never changed enough to really be a true 3pt sniper.
Ingram the player is still very salvageable, I just don't think we have the right coach to do it, and I don't even know if that coach exists.
I agree with this. Willie will never get Ingram to change.
And you can't count on zion if you trade Ingram.
What superstar are you getting back if u trade Ingram, Val, and a first like someone above mentioned?
Posted on 1/29/24 at 8:16 am to Chalkywhite84
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You think this team and zion are going to flip a switch if bi gets traded?
Did you think the team would flip a switch when Ingram went down with a toe injury the day after Thanksgiving last year?
We have evidence that says that should be exactly what to expect. Zion went from having a slow start to the season to an all-star starter and all-NBA level player during the month of December last year. It isn't guaranteed that it would instantly happen again but the fact that the team hasn't leaned into this yet this season is inexcusable. It is the one thing that we know has worked at a high level.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 8:46 am to Patfic15
Ahhh, the elusive “dawg”. That explains it.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:24 am to Chalkywhite84
quote:Did you ask the same question last season when BI got hurt?
You think this team and zion are going to flip a switch if bi gets traded?
Cause a switch did flip in Zion in that December run without BI, your'e basically asking the same question here, no?
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:31 pm to shel311
Uhh, we’re better when BI and Zion are playing well together. We’ve seen that in action.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:43 pm to VOR
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we’re better when BI and Zion are playing well together
Key phrase there is "playing well together". Because of their ball dominance tendencies, there aren't many games where they play well together.
For this team to be successful, one has to go and the other needs either suddenly realize their superstar potential or accept being a really good #2 behind another superstar.
What we're doing right now can maybe max out as a 4-seed, but more than likely always fall in the 5-9 seed range. That's not a recipe for success.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:01 pm to VOR
quote:Some of the best ball we've seen this team consistently play was when BI was out.
Uhh, we’re better when BI and Zion are playing well together. We’ve seen that in action.
I believe we were 12-5 without BI and just Zion before Zion's injury last season.
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:23 pm to Patfic15
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Get used to this. Team ain't got no dawg in em. Play in team....that's it.
They did at one point. Where is the team that took the play-in and took #1 seed and favorite to 6 games in the first round?
ETA: Most of this team is still here. Outside of Zion being hurt at that time.
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:33 pm to SaintEB
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They did at one point. Where is the team that took the play-in and took #1 seed and favorite to 6 games in the first round?
That team was ten games under .500 and beat a clippers team without Paul George or Kawhi and then extended the suns series because Booker was hurt. It was great effort but we had some luck along the way.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
I really don't understand why a play as simple as Zion and BI running the pick and roll doesn't work.
They are so rarely in the same action together.
They are so rarely in the same action together.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:01 pm to Pels_Yaz
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That team was ten games under .500 and beat a clippers team without Paul George or Kawhi and then extended the suns series because Booker was hurt. It was great effort but we had some luck along the way.
Accurate, but Kawhi took a team to a championship with alot of luck. You have to have some luck when getting that far. That does not mean the team didn't have some dog in them in doing so.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:02 pm to Pels_Yaz
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That team was ten games under .500 and beat a clippers team without Paul George or Kawhi and then extended the suns series because Booker was hurt. It was great effort but we had some luck along the way.
PG13 was ruled out right before the Clippers game in the second playoff game with Covid. Booker missed multiple games with injury in the first round. You are 100% right that the run that season was a bit of fool's gold.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:05 pm to shel311
Something that's shocking that I just looked at, Zion is 64th in the league in touches per game, and BI is 17th.
Willie gotta go. I see so many damn possessions where Zion has the post sealed, the ball gets passed to the top of the key. Zion cuts for an oop, ball handler doesn't even look up. Rolling off a pick, CJ nor BI even looks for the pass. Even when he's open for a catch and shoot, shooting 42% from 3 on few attempts, they NEVER kick the ball out to him.
The whole offensive scheme is garbage. I'm a Eastside Detroit dude, abd idgaf about Willie as a coach. I met him a few times at St Cecilia when I was a teenager and C Webb, Sprewell, J Rose, Jermaine Jackson, Rashard Phillips, ect were all playing pick up ball. Dude is a cool person, but so far, as a coach, I haven't seen a worse coach in years. At the least, a bad coach makes sure his best player gets the ball, controls the offense, and gets the most shots up most nights. Willie has no idea how to do the most simple thing whole coaching a great player. Bro sucks smh.
Willie gotta go. I see so many damn possessions where Zion has the post sealed, the ball gets passed to the top of the key. Zion cuts for an oop, ball handler doesn't even look up. Rolling off a pick, CJ nor BI even looks for the pass. Even when he's open for a catch and shoot, shooting 42% from 3 on few attempts, they NEVER kick the ball out to him.
The whole offensive scheme is garbage. I'm a Eastside Detroit dude, abd idgaf about Willie as a coach. I met him a few times at St Cecilia when I was a teenager and C Webb, Sprewell, J Rose, Jermaine Jackson, Rashard Phillips, ect were all playing pick up ball. Dude is a cool person, but so far, as a coach, I haven't seen a worse coach in years. At the least, a bad coach makes sure his best player gets the ball, controls the offense, and gets the most shots up most nights. Willie has no idea how to do the most simple thing whole coaching a great player. Bro sucks smh.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:06 pm to ThePistol
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the run that season was a bit of fool's gold.
I disagree. The Clippers were still picked to win the play-in that year, despite all of that.
That year, I remember guys hustling on defense, moving the ball, not taking any shite from CP3. The Suns were just better, and that's ok. It was a different vibe than it has been.
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 2:07 pm
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