- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Disconnect between Pels fans and media re: Lonzo
Posted on 8/4/21 at 5:48 pm to Parallax
Posted on 8/4/21 at 5:48 pm to Parallax
When the home teams fans are happy or don’t care when a player leaves, it’s never a good sign.
Lonzo could grow, but that dude isn’t a ultra competitor who loves winning. He seems like the kind of guy who plays basketball because he was made to do it his whole life.
Lonzo could grow, but that dude isn’t a ultra competitor who loves winning. He seems like the kind of guy who plays basketball because he was made to do it his whole life.
0
Posted on 8/4/21 at 5:50 pm to Parallax
this board v. guys like KOC, Lowe, etc makes me lean towards KOC, Lowe, etc.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 5:59 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Of course we are now pumped for Graham, who, if you removed his best shooting month, becomes at 35% from 3 guy (fun Lonzo exercise). Who got to the rim less than half the time Lonzo did and converted substantially less that Ball. Who is not particularly good on defense. Oh yea he’s 26. He’s the shiny new toy but you can bet he will be hated on fairly quickly
Not sure about that. Their fans apparently loved Graham, and they had no one that’s gonna demand the attention Zion does down low. I would think his 3pt % will go up. He’s a small guy that goes all out and will make almost half of what Lonzo does.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:03 pm to ghost2most
quote:
What's he improving in besides shooting? Serious question.
He's not any better at driving, passng, defense, is still injured 1/4 of the time and is invisible in the 4th.
“Besides shooting”
like that isn’t huge His scoring efficiency at the rim increased every year. For any other player, many would say that’s a sign of possibly improving in that facet of the game. “Just gotta get there more!”. Of course you’re asking one to be a killer at the rim at the same time he’s going from a terrible 3P and FT shooter to a good one
He drastically reduced his turnover rate while increasing his usage. Huge in a young player
He led the Pels in defensive win shares both seasons here. Higher marks than Jrue last season. Again, may not be a world beater, but encouraging for a young player. Many would say team defense as whole makes the job of an individual defender tougher
He played 82% of possible games here. Injuries are a huge part of the league and you would struggle to find guys who can play a full slate consistently.
He wasn’t bad in the 4th last season. Bad this past season, sure. Alas, there are still 4Q, each one is important. Check the clutch stats vs the median of players his age, though.
And of course all told he’s started the equivalent of 2.5 seasons worth of NBA games, with two organizations and three coaches in four seasons. One nonexistent off-season bc of injury, one bc of covid. We will see if he can take the next step
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:51 pm to Parallax
I’m not really a Pels fan. You guys are 1000% better off without Lonzo Ball. It may be painful short term but long term it’s better to watch him walk.
That Graham guy you traded for will be a lot better than you expect.
I bet he gives you 18 and 7 this year. More than you’ll get with Lonzo cluttering up the half court.
That Graham guy you traded for will be a lot better than you expect.
I bet he gives you 18 and 7 this year. More than you’ll get with Lonzo cluttering up the half court.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:58 pm to DiamondDog
quote:
I bet he gives you 18 and 7 this year. More than you’ll get with Lonzo cluttering up the half court.
Being honest, he aint gonna get 18/x/7; not if point Zion is a real thing.
Its gonna be similar to last year's numbers 15/3/5; but as efficient I'd say.
Gotta take things into consideration:
1. Point Zion: So his assist upticking to around 5
2. Ingram's role better defined: 25/5/5
3. NAW taking a step forward
4. JV eating up some putbacks/down low
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:03 pm to GynoSandberg
The thing with Lonzo is that, for us, he needed 1 more year of SHOW and PROVE. Yes, he's improving (shooting, turnover rate, etc.) but the end result netted becoming an"average to slightly above" talent. He wants to play PG, but lacks, necessary halfcourt PG skills to consistently direct an offense.
Coupled with Zion and Ingram being capable of initiating and directing an half court offense, makes him even more expendable.
Bottom line, while he is improving, the money he commanded was viewed as limiting our ceiling based on his current production and expected ceiling/value to THIS team. Now, I fully expect Lonzo to likely be better for Chicago due to a littany of factors.
The real question is, does Lonzo become a potential All-Star with Chicago? The East is weaker for PG's, so thats a strong possibility, but is his status because of conference or bc of true merit, similar to those Atlanta All-Star(s) years, a while back.
Better yet, is Lonzo better than when Terry Rozier left Boston?
I say no and Terry hasnt taken Charlotte to the promise land yet.
Did we lose out on receiving a player or better potential trade assets by not moving him at the deadline? Absolutely. But, it was a precarious situation, trying to make playoffs and not appear to pack it in, like when Mirotic was traded. I feel that was the death knell for Davis leaving. So, I understand the reluctance to trade. It probably was a decision where make playoffs and see Lonzo in that setting or trade. We didnt make it and his fate was sealed. Plus, it seems Lonzo and Rich Paul made it known at some point he wanted out. It is what it is.
Coupled with Zion and Ingram being capable of initiating and directing an half court offense, makes him even more expendable.
Bottom line, while he is improving, the money he commanded was viewed as limiting our ceiling based on his current production and expected ceiling/value to THIS team. Now, I fully expect Lonzo to likely be better for Chicago due to a littany of factors.
The real question is, does Lonzo become a potential All-Star with Chicago? The East is weaker for PG's, so thats a strong possibility, but is his status because of conference or bc of true merit, similar to those Atlanta All-Star(s) years, a while back.
Better yet, is Lonzo better than when Terry Rozier left Boston?
I say no and Terry hasnt taken Charlotte to the promise land yet.
Did we lose out on receiving a player or better potential trade assets by not moving him at the deadline? Absolutely. But, it was a precarious situation, trying to make playoffs and not appear to pack it in, like when Mirotic was traded. I feel that was the death knell for Davis leaving. So, I understand the reluctance to trade. It probably was a decision where make playoffs and see Lonzo in that setting or trade. We didnt make it and his fate was sealed. Plus, it seems Lonzo and Rich Paul made it known at some point he wanted out. It is what it is.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:08 pm to irvchilichill1
The whole Zion wanted him back angle is overblown. Zion will come to realize this soon enough. This is probably is 1st experience where the ugly side of the business rears its head for him besides JJ, but that's some Duke Brotherhood shite. Players come and go. Forge friendships off the court, but its about winning on it.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:09 pm to irvchilichill1
I agree with you. I’m not going to miss him and I like what we did with Graham, even if he has faults.
My main point was Lonzo was never going to get a fair shake from the fan base. It is what it is, we’ve seen it before and we will see it again
My main point was Lonzo was never going to get a fair shake from the fan base. It is what it is, we’ve seen it before and we will see it again
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
this board v. guys like KOC, Lowe, etc makes me lean towards KOC, Lowe, etc.
So people who watched Lonzo vs people who need clicks from major population centers like Chicago?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:21 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
My main point was Lonzo was never going to get a fair shake from the fan base.
I’m glad Lonzo is gone but this is totally fair.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:23 pm to southdowns84
quote:
this board v. guys like KOC, Lowe, etc makes me lean towards KOC, Lowe, etc.
So people who watched Lonzo vs people who need clicks from major population centers like Chicago?
Zach Lowe probably watched as much Pelicans basketball as anyone. He also probably has a better knowledge of the game than most people posting here. He’s also not a clickbait guy and doesn’t need to be
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:37 pm to D011ahbi11
Yeah Bill Simmons is one thing. Zach Lowe is another entity entirely
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:46 pm to Parallax
I felt that they should have traded him sooner, him and Bledsoe and now they are gone. Adams the center just didn't fit the type of offense that they ran in New Orleans, he'll be more effective with Memphis. But I felt like Ball and Bledsoe were just taking PT from the youngsters that needed to play in order to get much better like Kira Lewis, Alexander-Walker, and so on. Van-Gundy needed to go just because of that, he wasn't developing these kids. Also, I think they should have kept the Jared Butler pick and not trade him away to the Jazz, I think this kid will be good immediately. Oh well, at least Ball did develop his jump shot much better while he was there.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:53 pm to jmcwhrter
quote:
If he suddenly starts shooting 10-12 free throws a game and shooting 38-40% from 3, then I'll agree that we fricked up
And he may do that but he was never going to do that with us. Klutch wanted him gone. Had we resigned him, we would have had another Toní situation on our hands.
The only reason why that didn’t happen already is because Zo isn’t the same caliber of player as AD. I’m sure Griff and Paul agreed to part ways. Why didn’t we do it before now? Because we were in the middle of a playoff push and we didn’t want to fold.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:04 pm to GynoSandberg
Griff has made some mistakes, but he's avoided the Solo/Asik/Gordon kind of mistakes that could kill our chances of becoming an elite team.
Giving Lonzo 4/85 could've been that mistake. I'm glad he didn't make it.
Giving Lonzo 4/85 could've been that mistake. I'm glad he didn't make it.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
Zach Lowe not liking our moves makes me nervous. But I just don't see it with Lonzo on this roster. I guess you just have to believe that he'll keep getting better.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Yeah Bill Simmons is one thing. Zach Lowe is another entity entirely
Fine, but he still gets compensated based on how many clicks he generates. Lonzo is an enigma that’s easy to sell as long as you ignore his extremely likely downside entirely.
When acquired, in theory he was a perfect fit with the Pels. That didn’t materialize.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Giving Lonzo 4/85 could've been that mistake. I'm glad he didn't make it.
Why?
Are we just not paying attention to the market?
Lonzo had suitors either this offseason or last season from Chicago, Boston, Charlotte, both LA teams, NY, Indiana, and even Miami was rumored at one time.
People out here acting like this is Solo/Asik. It’s not. Those two were given above the market contracts from a desperate team(us) and on guys that we even knew at the time had to play way above their current careers to justify.
That’s not the case with Lonzo. Especially after we saw how this market played out with the huge contracts.
A ultra high volume 38% three point shooter that plays very good off ball defense and solid on ball defense, is a very good transition playmaker and has improved every year is a player that can fit in a lot of places, as the market demand shows.
As is we lost that guy and brought in someone that is relatively similar offensively(though worse as a starter than Lonzo as a starter) but a major downgrade defensively. I like Graham
And his contract, but there is a reason Charlotte got frustrated with him last season as he can be a turnstile at times and shoot you out of a game same as Lonzo.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:34 pm to southdowns84
quote:
Fine, but he still gets compensated based on how many clicks he generates.
You don’t think Zach Lowe is on a salary?
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News