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re: 2023 NBA Free Agency, Pels cap state
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:41 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:41 am to NOSHAU
Portland should have seen the writing on the wall a year or two ago, but they just couldn't bring themselves to do it, he was "too loyal".
Always trade a year early rather than a year too late.
Always trade a year early rather than a year too late.
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:43 am to Fun Bunch
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Always trade a year early rather than a year too late.
This is what I'm concerned about with Zion.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:52 am to NOSHAU
quote:The issue is kind of unfixable though.
It is situations like this that make me wish teams had the power to petition to the NBA to have the contract voided and make him a free agent. It is ridiculous that he signed a $250 million contract last year and is demanding that the Blazers put his wants and needs ahead of their organization. He should be suspended for his actions.
How do you suspend him? Dame just has to say show me where me or my agent said any of these things, and the league can't and thus he can't be suspended. This is all being put out as rumors to reporters who won't reveal their sources, so there is nothing anyone can do.
People always say it needs to be fixed and I generally agree, but I don't think it can be fixed, I don't see any realistic options to fix stuff like this.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:58 am to shel311
The only thing that may help over time even in the slightest is for the NBA as a whole to shift their marketing focus to teams instead of players, and have their broadcast partners work with them on that.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:03 am to Fun Bunch
quote:It has to be stuff in the margins like this because wanting to put in all these rules if a player requests a trade won't work, the player will just do everything to make it clearly known they want a trade without requesting a trade
The only thing that may help over time even in the slightest is for the NBA as a whole to shift their marketing focus to teams instead of players, and have their broadcast partners work with them on that.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:20 am to shel311
Woj just did a story that Portland is "choosing the market" over Miami for now and searching for the best deal for them
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:35 am to Fun Bunch
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Woj just did a story that Portland is "choosing the market" over Miami for now and searching for the best deal for them
Just read it. Said Lillard's agent is calling all teams not named Miami and warning them that they'd be trading for a disgruntled player. Even if it isn't Griffin, I hope some small market GM steps up and says frick you, you signed a $200M contract, you're going to play for us.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:45 am to medtiger
I just think it's funny that Lillard had arguably the best reputation in the league and now he's threatening to become James Harden. 
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:46 am to CP3forMVP
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This is what I'm concerned about with Zion.
his value is an all time low, think you just leave it alone for now honestly.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:53 am to medtiger
small market teams, or teams that aren't trying to win a championship right now, don't want Dame.
There's only a handful of teams that actually want him, and can actually get him. They have to already be good, and they have to have the assets to send over picks and/or young players.
Knicks
Celtics
Pelicans
Sixers
Raptors
Kings
That's about it. All of those teams can offer way more than what Miami can, if they wanted to. As i said before, all they really have to do is beat an offer of 2 firsts way out there, Tyler Herro, and some rookie who could'nt get more minutes than Zeller but is supposedly some hot commodity.
There's only a handful of teams that actually want him, and can actually get him. They have to already be good, and they have to have the assets to send over picks and/or young players.
Knicks
Celtics
Pelicans
Sixers
Raptors
Kings
That's about it. All of those teams can offer way more than what Miami can, if they wanted to. As i said before, all they really have to do is beat an offer of 2 firsts way out there, Tyler Herro, and some rookie who could'nt get more minutes than Zeller but is supposedly some hot commodity.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:12 am to medtiger
Was watching the NBA YouTube pundits last night and some of them pointed to Donovan Mitchell going to Cleveland last year as a similar example.
He was expected to be a Knick and wanted to be one but Cleveland had the better deal because the Knicks balked at the cost. And he made it work once he got there.
He was expected to be a Knick and wanted to be one but Cleveland had the better deal because the Knicks balked at the cost. And he made it work once he got there.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:12 am to shel311
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the player will just do everything to make it clearly known they want a trade without requesting a trade
See “Simmons, Ben”.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:13 am to shel311
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now he's threatening to become James Harden.
He sounds like Toní
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:14 am to TeddyPadillac
I was listening to a pod with Howard Beck and Zach Lowe yesterday and Miami can apparently pretty easily get to 3 picks that they can offer. They'd just need the Thunder to remove protections on a pick that Miami owes them, and the removal of those protections would actually be better for the Thunder.
I don't know how much that changes the offer from Portland's perspective, just saying that it could be a bit better than what is being reported.
I don't know how much that changes the offer from Portland's perspective, just saying that it could be a bit better than what is being reported.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:16 am to shel311
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It has to be stuff in the margins like this because wanting to put in all these rules if a player requests a trade won't work, the player will just do everything to make it clearly known they want a trade without requesting a trade
Teams just need to grow some balls, fine/suspend without pay the players who act like shitheads (ie Harden).
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:18 am to Epic Cajun
quote:It's just an entirely flawed system.
Teams just need to grow some balls, fine/suspend without pay the players who act like shitheads (ie Harden).
I'm assuming felt that if they suspended Harden, they 100% knew he would still have to be traded and that would hurt his trade value.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:40 am to shel311
There has to be ways to prevent this. I offered some ideas a few days ago.
What if you limit the number of max players a team can trade for? Like you can only trade for a max player every five years?
That would take some of the glamour markets out of the mix.
Also there needs to be a supplemental pick system.
This would also help prevent tanking.
If a team loses a star player, they get a guaranteed top 5 pick in the next draft and the team that took on the player loses their next two firsts if they’re not already part of the trade compensation.
What if you limit the number of max players a team can trade for? Like you can only trade for a max player every five years?
That would take some of the glamour markets out of the mix.
Also there needs to be a supplemental pick system.
This would also help prevent tanking.
If a team loses a star player, they get a guaranteed top 5 pick in the next draft and the team that took on the player loses their next two firsts if they’re not already part of the trade compensation.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:44 am to ghost2most
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What if you limit the number of max players a team can trade for? Like you can only trade for a max player every five years?
Every time they try something like this people find a way around it.
They had this issue with “designated” players which were rookies on 5 year contracts at one point. Any team could trade for one but they couldn’t have another they traded for, which limited Ben Simmons’ destinations when Philly shopped him. I believe it also affected potential AD deals when we were moving him.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:47 am to ghost2most
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If a team loses a star player, they get a guaranteed top 5 pick in the next draft
Define star player. Highest paid player on a team? Should the Wizards get a top 5 pick because they salary dumped Beal?
There are just too many grey areas and every solution has unintended consequences. The best solution is what has been kicked around before of a true supermax that only one player on a team can have. But even that can have a downside, see John Wall and how an injury derailed the once promising Wizards.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:54 am to Epic Cajun
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I was listening to a pod with Howard Beck and Zach Lowe yesterday and Miami can apparently pretty easily get to 3 picks that they can offer. They'd just need the Thunder to remove protections on a pick that Miami owes them, and the removal of those protections would actually be better for the Thunder.
Yeah its a lottery protected 1st that Miami is sending to OKC in 2025 which converts to an unprotected 1st in 2026 if not conveyed.
That's the downside with deals like that. Instead of just trading away a single draft pick, you're tying up 2 years in the future which limits your flexibility.
I don't know if they could retroactively change the trade now, but I'd assume they would want to just give OKC that 2025 pick unprotected to open up 2026 so they could then trade 2027 & 2029.
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