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re: 2023 NBA Free Agency, Pels cap state
Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:05 pm to shel311
Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:05 pm to shel311
I will say this from what I was talking about earlier where I mentioned you can't penalize or fine/suspend a player for rumors or reports so it's easy for players to get away with stuff like this but...
If Woj is reporting that Dame's agent is calling other teams and telling them not to trade for him or he'll cause a mess, then that absolutely should be something that other teams should be reporting to the league with some process in place for Dame to be heavily fined for doing so.
That would be an instance where it's not reporters saying shite, it would be directly from the team itself.
If Woj is reporting that Dame's agent is calling other teams and telling them not to trade for him or he'll cause a mess, then that absolutely should be something that other teams should be reporting to the league with some process in place for Dame to be heavily fined for doing so.
That would be an instance where it's not reporters saying shite, it would be directly from the team itself.
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:21 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Heats unprotected 2026 pick sounds a lot better than a lottery protected 2025 pick. Why would OKC agree to that without more compensation? Especially considering Butlers age.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:33 pm to shel311
Part of me feels like with so many years left on his deal there's no reason for GM's to even take the call from the Agent, and they should tell him to go shove it.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:40 pm to saintslsupels
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Heats unprotected 2026 pick sounds a lot better than a lottery protected 2025 pick. Why would OKC agree to that without more compensation? Especially considering Butlers age.
Because that isn't the scenario. It would be going from a lottery protected pick in 2025 that would roll over to an unprotected pick in 2026 if it doesn't convey in 2025, to an unprotected 2025 pick.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:53 pm to Epic Cajun
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Because that isn't the scenario. It would be going from a lottery protected pick in 2025 that would roll over to an unprotected pick in 2026 if it doesn't convey in 2025, to an unprotected 2025 pick.
In order for Miami to be able to free up 3 picks to trade, they need to amend the OKC deal for an unprotected 2026 1st or 2024 1st.
If they amend it to an unprotected 2024 1st, that then frees up 2026,2028,2030 picks that can be traded to Portland.
If they amend it to an unprotected 2026 1st, then they can send 2024,2028,2030 picks to Portland.
I imagine OKC would want some sort of compensation to amend the deal though.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:56 pm to Soggymoss
Aaron Holiday signs with Rockets...that was a possible Kira landing spot as they needed another guard.
Not many options out there...
Not many options out there...
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:02 pm to shel311
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That would be an instance where it's not reporters saying shite, it would be directly from the team itself.
Loophole 1 - Tampering is a team to team violation. Players can only be fined $50k and Dame would gladly pay that to go to his team of choice.
Loophole 1b - Agents are approved by the union, not the league. There's just nothing that could be done here without the players giving power over to the league in a CBA negotiation, which could happen but always costs money, and owners like money a lot.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:05 pm to shel311
league has a serious problem on its hands if the Dame can sign the max extension one summer and then the very next try to bully his way to the team of his choosing.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:05 pm to Soggymoss
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I imagine OKC would want some sort of compensation to amend the deal though.
Based on the protections on that pick, I would think OKC moves it back to 2026 as an unprotected.
As far as what OKC gets for that? Probably a small money player on a TPE of $4m or less, meaning Jaime Jacques Jr, Nikola Jovic, Haywood Highsmith, or Orlando Robinson.
Miami would be trading its first for Lillard and they don’t have any seconds until 2026, which is the least favorable out of their own, OLC, Dallas, and Philly. Their next second is 2029. That means their only other assets are players and cash considerations.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:06 pm to Soggymoss
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In order for Miami to be able to free up 3 picks to trade, they need to amend the OKC deal for an unprotected 2026 1st or 2024 1st.
If they amend it to an unprotected 2024 1st, that then frees up 2026,2028,2030 picks that can be traded to Portland.
If they amend it to an unprotected 2026 1st, then they can send 2024,2028,2030 picks to Portland.
I imagine OKC would want some sort of compensation to amend the deal though.
You're right, the last portion of my sentence should've read "to an unprotected 2026 pick." Regardless, the gist of it is the same. Would the Thunder rather a pick that is almost guaranteed to be out of the lottery, or would they rather a pick that is unprotected? An unprotected 2026 pick is worth more than a lottery protected 2025 pick. If they want some sort of compensation, it would be minimal.
ETA: When a team is traded a lottery protected pick that rolls over to an unprotected pick the following year, the team receiving the pick would almost always prefer that the pick roll over to the unprotected year, which is essentially what would be occurring.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:10 pm to Epic Cajun
Teams need to blackball the agents. Should have already happened with klutch
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:29 pm to BallHawk
We are going to have to attach two seconds to move him. Prob something like the ‘28 and ‘30 seconds.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:37 pm to Epic Cajun
I understand now, still would rather have heats 2026 first, and if I was OKC I would want some type of compensation. Why would they remove protections that helps out a team whose first round pick they have? They’d be better off not helping Miami, that way there’s a better chance they get a good pick.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:38 pm to Solo
Best route to go with Kira is probably to go into the season with him on the roster. Wait for injuries around the league to occur and trade him for a protected 2nd or something.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:41 pm to saintslsupels
quote:OKC would probably want at least a 2nd or 2 to do it, but seems like an easy fix.
Heats unprotected 2026 pick sounds a lot better than a lottery protected 2025 pick. Why would OKC agree to that without more compensation? Especially considering Butlers age.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:00 pm to supe12sta12z
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Best route to go with Kira is probably to go into the season with him on the roster. Wait for injuries around the league to occur and trade him for a protected 2nd or something.
Who is going to have the space to take on a dead contract?
Unless he has improved a ton, he's not even a semi-decent back-up. He makes over 5M a year. There are street FAs that would be better option than him and probably cheaper. I'd rather sign a George Hill or Kendrick Nunn in a pinch.
Might be different if we start sending out picks with him..
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:05 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Which is why the system is broken.
Loophole 1 - Tampering is a team to team violation. Players can only be fined $50k and Dame would gladly pay that to go to his team of choice.
Loophole 1b - Agents are approved by the union, not the league. There's just nothing that could be done here without the players giving power over to the league in a CBA negotiation, which could happen but always costs money, and owners like money a lot.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:07 pm to brmark70816
Yep. I bet he’s gone soon, and it will prob sting a little asset-wise. Time will tell.
Would love to know what if anything we offered Indy to move up and take Haliburton.
Would love to know what if anything we offered Indy to move up and take Haliburton.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:08 pm to brmark70816
My hope is that we can get Nurkic and dump Kira when Dame gets traded, but that’s just a pipe dream.
I’m gonna be frustrated if we go into this season with literally the exact same roster from last year.
I’m gonna be frustrated if we go into this season with literally the exact same roster from last year.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:14 pm to saintslsupels
Looking back, we should have just Kira expire…bad move
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