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Will Game of Thrones Still Be Considered One of the Greatest TV Shows of All-Time?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:16 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:16 am
4 seasons in, it looked like it was a guarantee to go down as the GOAT TV show. The love has gotten less and less as the seasons go on obviously. But will it still be remembered as one of the greatest of all time or one of the greatest?
For the sake of the argument, lets not include comedies. It would be too hard to compare the two. I just used too, to, and two in one sentence, unintentionally, not sure i've ever done that before, i'm amazing. Does that happen much? Anyway...
Also I dont think it would be fair to compare it with shows that had 3 seasons or less. If you do that, compare the first 3-5 seasons of GOT to it. Its easier to make a great show for 3 seasons than it is for 8.
For me, its probably still the GOAT. Mainly bc of seasons 1-4. I still enjoy the show even though it has its flaws and has dropped in quality. Mainly writing. But that was to be expected. They were never going to be as good as GRRM. Its still overall an amazing show.
Im having trouble thinking of a show to compete with it. The Wire maybe. There are a few that is they stretched out they might have competed like Deadwood, Luther, The Knick, The Leftovers, The Newsroom, Rome.
I never could get into The Sopranos like most. LOST dropped off 10x worse that GOT. Breaking Bad was good, just not GOAT good for me.
What say you?
For the sake of the argument, lets not include comedies. It would be too hard to compare the two. I just used too, to, and two in one sentence, unintentionally, not sure i've ever done that before, i'm amazing. Does that happen much? Anyway...
Also I dont think it would be fair to compare it with shows that had 3 seasons or less. If you do that, compare the first 3-5 seasons of GOT to it. Its easier to make a great show for 3 seasons than it is for 8.
For me, its probably still the GOAT. Mainly bc of seasons 1-4. I still enjoy the show even though it has its flaws and has dropped in quality. Mainly writing. But that was to be expected. They were never going to be as good as GRRM. Its still overall an amazing show.
Im having trouble thinking of a show to compete with it. The Wire maybe. There are a few that is they stretched out they might have competed like Deadwood, Luther, The Knick, The Leftovers, The Newsroom, Rome.
I never could get into The Sopranos like most. LOST dropped off 10x worse that GOT. Breaking Bad was good, just not GOAT good for me.
What say you?
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:16 am to iwyLSUiwy
No.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:17 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
I dont think it would be fair to compare it with shows that had 3 seasons or less.
why not? A show is a show. A 3-season show shouldn't be punished (in your eyes) because they decided to wrap it up instead of dragging 8-10 seasons and not knowing how to end it.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:20 am to iwyLSUiwy
It's a tough sell.
Once a show completes, it usually has a few years of hype surrounding it. But once people have no longer have the show at the forefront of their mind, it's easier to actually analyze a show for what it is.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:22 am to WG_Dawg
quote:
why not? A show is a show. A 3-season show shouldn't be punished (in your eyes) because they decided to wrap it up instead of dragging 8-10 seasons and not knowing how to end it.
Fair enough I guess. But it was a story that was based on a potential 7 book series. It was always going to be that long and there was no way to wrap it up earlier if you wanted to tell the whole story.
I still think its a lot easier to make a show great for 3 seasons than it is 8. I love The Leftovers, hands down one of the greatest shows of all time for me (even though the end of it was a bit lacking). But if I compare the first 3 seasons of GOT to it, Game of Thrones is still quite a bit better.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:23 am to iwyLSUiwy
Not with the garbage finale I read about.
I see no reason to rewatch the series now.
Like LOST, much of the earlier plots seem pointless.
I see no reason to rewatch the series now.
Like LOST, much of the earlier plots seem pointless.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:27 am to WG_Dawg
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why not? A show is a show. A 3-season show shouldn't be punished (in your eyes) because they decided to wrap it up instead of dragging 8-10 seasons and not knowing how to end it.
I agree with you. Because a show runs a shorter arc and knows when to quit doesn't mean that it isn't great. If you want to put a disclaimer in front of or behind GOT is the GOAT TV series of all time *that ran for more than 3 years* then that is fine too.
Me personally, I don't believe it is the greatest even if it ended strong. It is a great show to watch and look forward to but I don't really consider the greatest ever. I would think that it would be top 10 though. I would still put Lost above GOT in the grand scheme of it. I haven't seen Breaking Bad and just don't have the time to dedicate to a show that long right now.
There are several comedy TV shows i would put up there with it too, look at South Park and the Simpsons. 20 years plus and still relevant and funny. 30 rock was really good but not quite as high.
I would put Chuck up there with it and I have done a few rewatches of it and still love nearly ever episode.
Fringe was really good though it had some drop-off.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:28 am to iwyLSUiwy
Almost every show/series or move franchise declines significantly in writing quality toward the end. GOT is just following that law.
Seinfeld is an exception, IMO, although one could argue there too.
Hollywood's MO is to milk it til it's dry.
Seinfeld is an exception, IMO, although one could argue there too.
Hollywood's MO is to milk it til it's dry.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 10:30 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:31 am to Warfarer
quote:
Breaking Bad
This and Mad Men are 1a and 1b for me.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:31 am to iwyLSUiwy
The first 4 seasons which basically follows the war of the 5 Kings and the major narrative of the first 3 books will go down as the best stretch of TV. 5-8 have ruined any chance of it being the greatest
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:32 am to iwyLSUiwy
Yes. And even if the writing peaked early, the acting, music, cinematography, etc., are as good as ever and some aspects are better than ever (cinematography, special effects), and probably better than anything ever shown on TV before, Oscar-level quality for multiple episodes. Not to mention, you can’t just ignore the cultural and commercial impact of a show that has revolutionized a long-established genre.
And I believe the last few seasons will be viewed more favorably as time passes anyways, as people get a chance to take it all in, rewatch it, and finally have books to supplement it. Plus new viewers will be able to watch it all in its entirety instead of speculating for years about what will happen, which inevitably creates more disappointed when they don’t go exactly hopes/expected as years worth of build up.
And I believe the last few seasons will be viewed more favorably as time passes anyways, as people get a chance to take it all in, rewatch it, and finally have books to supplement it. Plus new viewers will be able to watch it all in its entirety instead of speculating for years about what will happen, which inevitably creates more disappointed when they don’t go exactly hopes/expected as years worth of build up.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:33 am to buckeye_vol
It is worth talking about how maybe the earlier seasons were better not just because it was based on the books but because the books definitely filled in the gaps.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:35 am to buckeye_vol
You think s7 and s8 will hold up well for future bingers? I disagree. Binge straight through and you can clearly see it getting worse and worse in s5 and by time they have binged through 7 and into 8 they won’t even reckognize the show. It is completely different. The best seasons didn’t have giant battles and CGI dragons and burning cities. Just saying
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:35 am to weagle99
quote:
Like LOST, much of the earlier plots seem pointless.
Yet some still consider LOST to be one of the all time great TV shows.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:35 am to iwyLSUiwy
Nope. Breaking Bad and The Wire are both better.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:37 am to theGarnetWay
quote:
Yet some still consider LOST to be one of the all time great TV shows.
And those people have awful taste.
Yea, Lost was good at times, but way too many plot holes. They tried making the story confusing to make up for the lack of a clear vision. Time travel nonsense, the ending? It was an enjoyable watch, but a mess.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:38 am to iwyLSUiwy
Cinematography wise it has been nothing short of absolutely amazing. Writing and directing wise, it has looked like absolute shite for 2 years now.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:38 am to lsutigertalk
Yep
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:39 am to SammyTiger
quote:I think this is definitely true, even for people who haven’t read the books since so many of the details are easily accessible whether from the discussions or in the wikis.
It is worth talking about how maybe the earlier seasons were better not just because it was based on the books but because the books definitely filled in the gaps.
The only plotlines that I think really will not benefit from this are the ones around the Martells (besides Oberyn) and Greyjoys (besides Theon), that have really only been recently introduced in the books with not a whole lot of detail. I don’t think it’s a coincidence those were the most disappointing.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:40 am to Fewer Kilometers
GoT on its own is less than top tier.
The spin-offs could make or break it, you also have the chance that the remaining books will come out and the series will pale in comparison.
The spin-off effect:
Walking Dead - drain on the franchise
Mad Men - no spin off, mothership remains pristine as a classic
Breaking Bad - spin off is arguably better than the original. Elevates the original series and the franchise as a whole.
Sopranos - could take a dent if the film doesn't pass muster.
The spin-offs could make or break it, you also have the chance that the remaining books will come out and the series will pale in comparison.
The spin-off effect:
Walking Dead - drain on the franchise
Mad Men - no spin off, mothership remains pristine as a classic
Breaking Bad - spin off is arguably better than the original. Elevates the original series and the franchise as a whole.
Sopranos - could take a dent if the film doesn't pass muster.
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