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Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:48 am to SammyTiger
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It is worth talking about how maybe the earlier seasons were better not just because it was based on the books but because the books definitely filled in the gaps.
I think this is a great point that not many have touched upon.
Having the books as background (and the show’s original base was a lot of the folks who read the books) it was easier to view an abbreviated version of events on the television, but still know all of the machinations behind certain plots, even if a lot of those had only really been fully explained in the books.
That’s not to say those early seasons weren’t just better in general than the current seasons because they definitely were. But they probably got some benefit from people in general just knowing what is going on based on the books.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:50 am to td01241
quote:Yes.
You think s7 and s8 will hold up well for future bingers?
quote:And you’re basing that on a different perspective than any future binge watchers. Of course, I don’t know for sure, but I would imagine that whatever the experience, it will be different than what we are experiencing now.
Binge straight through and you can clearly see it getting worse and worse in s5 and by time they have binged through 7 and into 8 they won’t even reckognize the show.
quote:It is different, but it was always going to be different as a story reaches its rising action, climax, and conclusion, like any story. But if you watch it it’s entirety, than I think that transition will feel more natural. People were already complaining the last two seasons would be rushed when they were announced as shorter seasons (despite longer per episode).
It is completely different.
Not to mention, when there are fewer storylines, more overlap between storylines, longer episodes spanning fewer weeks, and a lot of anxiety about it all, it feels more rushed by default anyways. But if you binge the show and take it all in at and experience it as it progresses a whole for the time, I don’t think that feeling will be quite as extreme.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 10:51 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:52 am to iwyLSUiwy
I think the writing on seasons 7 & 8 has been so bad that it cannot be considered in the pantheon of the greatest of all time. This dialogue is as bad as the Star Wars prequels
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 10:53 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:57 am to Gabriel Susan Lewis
quote:And this is why I think some (not all) of the criticism of the writing is purely just a lot of mindless group-think. Even just a rudimentary ability to evaluate the writing could be able to conclude that the dialogue is anywhere near as bad as the prequels, which couldn’t even be delivered effectively by extremely talented actors (save for maybe McGregor).
This dialogue is as bad as the Star Wars prequels
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:59 am to buckeye_vol
I suppose I’m comparing the writing to the other seasons and, in contrast, it is inferior
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:02 am to Gabriel Susan Lewis
quote:Fair enough. But I do think some of it is a more in the moment feeling; some of it is just where the story is at; and some of it is without the books to supplement things, which is a unique benefit given how much extra details we get that could never be captured on a show, or captured well.
I suppose I’m comparing the writing to the other seasons and, in contrast, it is inferior
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:02 am to weagle99
quote:both dont compare to Battlestar Galactica.
Breaking Bad
This and Mad Men are 1a and 1b for me.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:04 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:One of? Absolutely.
Still Be Considered One of the Greatest TV Shows
The ending of the story might be coming in a bit rough on the landing, but there are quite a few seasons' worth of brilliant plot and dialogue.
And as that aspect has declined, the technical aspects such as cinematography etc have elevated. Visuals went from "very good for TV" to probably the best fantasy on film, any level. Spoils of War, Beyond the Wall, The Long Night, The Bells now set the bar. A lot of that might be horrific decisions to include, but they are incredible to watch.
I know, "that's not what it's supposed to be about", but if you visually blow the audience away, you're still achieving greatness. I'd rather watch one of the later battles than a blockbuster movie in the same genre, if I want to SEE something like that.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:06 am to iwyLSUiwy
Unfortunately, no. Like most things, everything is judged by how it finishes and GoT finished horribly. I’m not talking about the character endings or plot lines necessarily, I’m talking about writing and execution.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:06 am to buckeye_vol
This is apt IMO
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[/img]Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:08 am to iwyLSUiwy
Seasons 1-4
Those others, not so much.
Those others, not so much.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:10 am to Jack Daniel
quote:The Office (multiple seasons after Michael left), The Wire (final season), Seinfeld (last episode), Sopranos (last scene), are shows from just this century that had either declines or controversial endings yet are still lauded as some of the GOATs.
Unfortunately, no. Like most things, everything is judged by how it finishes and GoT finished horribly. I’m not talking about the character endings or plot lines necessarily, I’m talking about writing and execution.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:10 am to td01241
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by time they have binged through 7 and into 8 they won’t even reckognize the show. It is completely different
Curious, what did you, and others, think of episodes 1 and 2 of this season? I really enjoyed those and thought they slowed things down, and they were the most similar to earlier seasons.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:12 am to SammyTiger
quote:
It is worth talking about how maybe the earlier seasons were better not just because it was based on the books but because the books definitely filled in the gaps.
I think the books are the most important aspect. It wasn't until the showrunners began diverting from the story too much that the show started losing a bit of its shine. Once the show went beyond the books, that's where the noticeable downhill slide began (with exceptions for things like Battle of the Bastards). The Harry Potter series of movies (the core series, not the prequels) is a great contrast in that it stayed true to the books throughout its run so we see the finale movie being every bit as solid as the first.
A couple of caveats I will give to the series over the books:
-The Robb Stark romance worked better being fleshed out on tv. The way the books were written were from a character's POV so the reader often didn't find out about an event until a character did. Considering how so many viewers had to be led around by the nose on so many things, I think trying for that in a cinematic venue would not have built as much interest.
Having read the books I liked having those scenes as a bit of extra story (kind of like in Endgame where Tony is watching the end of their fight with Loki and the immediate aftermath viewers didn't see).
-The Hound's first (or near) death in the books got a bit clunky. I liked how they brought Brienne in on the series for the confrontation that eventually allowed Arya to leave him and go on her journey. It helped solidify her character and freed Arya in a faster manner.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:13 am to buckeye_vol
Were there millions of people trashing those shows on social media? Was there a change.org petition with over 500,000 signature to have the final season redone with new writers? (Obviously the petition won’t amount to shite, but it’s a sign of how the show will be remembered)
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:15 am to Bard
I think The shows early on did a great job cutting the fur and streamlining stories.
There are points in the books where Was just thinking “what the duck is going on? Is anything actually going to happen? Where is this going?”
There are points in the books where Was just thinking “what the duck is going on? Is anything actually going to happen? Where is this going?”
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:16 am to Bard
quote:Hardhomme, Battle of the Basterds, and Winds of Winter are probably 3 of the most popular episodes of all time, and they either occurred after the last book or were not really in the books (Hardhomme). And for the love that BOTB gets, I think it’s got more plot issues (Sansa and the Vale in particular) than the last episode, but somehow those are overlooked.
Once the show went beyond the books, that's where the noticeable downhill slide began (with exceptions for things like Battle of the Bastards).
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:17 am to Fewer Kilometers
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GoT on its own is less than top tier.
The spin-offs could make or break
Wouldnt agree with this at all. The spin offs will have absolutely no effect on how I view GOT. I think it will be that way for most people.
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you also have the chance that the remaining books will come out and the series will pale in comparison.
Also, shouldn't matter. Its always been a %100 guarantee that the books are going to be better. While their are many more book readers than there was 9 years ago, the majority of people still haven't and will not read the books. So the books will only matter to a small portion of viewers.
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