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re: Waco - the FBI should be razed to the ground
Posted on 4/23/20 at 6:55 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 4/23/20 at 6:55 pm to brmark70816
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Koresh was a pedophile and a rapist. The Cult enabled and protected him. It needed to be stopped. The raid was a huge failure. That happens and it was a risk. But they couldn't just do nothing..
David Koresh was no different than the 100s of thousands of polygamists that reside in this country. It is illegal, though the 14 yo was legal in Texas at the time, but the penalty for polygamy is not death by fire to the perpetrators and victims!
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:29 pm to brmark70816
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Koresh was a pedophile and a rapist. The Cult enabled and protected him. It needed to be stopped.
The raid had nothing to do with his polygamy or his pedophilia and everything to do with the guns he had at the compound.
Nice try though.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:42 pm to landrywasbeast30
quote:that would be crazy. Glad we don’t have to deal with that here in America
. Imagine if instead of one crazy guy, we had an entire major political party that makes up half the country that is armed and ready to go to war and start killing innocent people over small disagreements.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:20 am to More&Les
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 52 days were given for all of those adults to freely walk out of there with their children.
FBI/ATF’s action was a little extreme, but again...52 days for adults to make the right decision. Nobody to blame but themselves.
FBI/ATF’s action was a little extreme, but again...52 days for adults to make the right decision. Nobody to blame but themselves.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:28 am to BabyTac
By that time Koresh's religious beliefs kicked in and he was convinced that this siege was a sign from God. Had the ATF arrested Koresh in town like they should have...the siege never happens and people don't die.
But no. The ATF wanted a big publicity coup with footage of Koresh and his followers being led away in handcuffs out of Mt. Carmel. They wanted footage of the gun stockpile his Branch Davidians had accumulated. The whole raid was designed to get on television.
Both sides were at fault in Waco. But the government lays claim to the biggest fault because all it would have taken is one arrest in town to have gotten them what they wanted.
But no. The ATF wanted a big publicity coup with footage of Koresh and his followers being led away in handcuffs out of Mt. Carmel. They wanted footage of the gun stockpile his Branch Davidians had accumulated. The whole raid was designed to get on television.
Both sides were at fault in Waco. But the government lays claim to the biggest fault because all it would have taken is one arrest in town to have gotten them what they wanted.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:04 pm to More&Les
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There were ZERO illegal weapons in Mt. Carmel. There was Zero evidence that they posed any kind of threat.
Well that goes against everything the survivors say, they admit in "Waco: Madman or Messiah" that they were making illegal weapons.
Spoiler alert: one survivor admits to David Koresh ordering the fires to be started.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 12:22 am to YNWA
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OP was already against the FBI before he watched Waco since his Lord and Savior Trump is anti FBI.
I think it’s time to stop sniffing glue brother bear
Posted on 4/25/20 at 2:01 am to SHOtime Tiger
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Jesus Christ. He was a raping pedophile and your first argument defending him is jurisdiction?
What's wrong with that argument?
Slappy Sandusky raped little boys for years, but that doesn't mean the NCAA had any busy sticking their grubby paws in the mess.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:39 am to Wolfhound45
You have to separate the justification for arrest from the means used to accomplish this in order to rationally discussed what happened. I think almost everyone agrees that the facts reflect used religion to enable his pedo tendencies and armed them to make it more difficult to arrest him.
With hay being said , ATF made huge tactical errors. There is no in yuan gun battle if they simply grab him while jogging. After the gun battle occurred, FBI used a flame thrower to kill a wasp nest on a house. It resulted in one of those YouTube videos people post on the OT where redneck manages to light his trailer on fire with it in the course of wasp killing. It was a bad situation, but they made it worse.
My one knock on the Netflix series is that they extremely downplayed then pedo evidence. In fact, they have a scene where fed agents are watching rescued children while commenting “do they look abused” questioning whether it occurred. Tons of evidence that he
Committed these crimes and the group enabled him, readily sacrificing their own 10-12 year old daughters for his pleasure. Makes you wonder why that was downplayed so much.
With hay being said , ATF made huge tactical errors. There is no in yuan gun battle if they simply grab him while jogging. After the gun battle occurred, FBI used a flame thrower to kill a wasp nest on a house. It resulted in one of those YouTube videos people post on the OT where redneck manages to light his trailer on fire with it in the course of wasp killing. It was a bad situation, but they made it worse.
My one knock on the Netflix series is that they extremely downplayed then pedo evidence. In fact, they have a scene where fed agents are watching rescued children while commenting “do they look abused” questioning whether it occurred. Tons of evidence that he
Committed these crimes and the group enabled him, readily sacrificing their own 10-12 year old daughters for his pleasure. Makes you wonder why that was downplayed so much.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:55 am to michael corleone
quote:I feel like they downplayed David Koresh completely. He came off as too sympathetic as a character. He was a tremendously flawed person.
My one knock on the Netflix series...
Still does not justify the raid and subsequent siege.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:54 am to Wolfhound45
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Link it.
Can you not fricking read? The title of the documentary is clearly in the post that you quoted
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Hint. Majorie Thomas did not say the Davidians started the fire.
Hint: I'm aware because I've actually seen the documentary. You on the other hand are just speculating
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:39 am to YeahYeah
I listed the nine survivors and then researched it. Name the survivor and the context in which they made the accusation or shut up.
ETA: It takes more than the testimony of one to convict dumbass. The standard is preponderance of the evidence. The testimony of one would be considered hearsay.
ETA: It takes more than the testimony of one to convict dumbass. The standard is preponderance of the evidence. The testimony of one would be considered hearsay.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 9:44 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:43 am to Wolfhound45
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I listed the nine survivors and then researched it. Name the survivor and the context in which they made the accusation .
I answered this in the appropriate thread where you listed the survivors.
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or shut up
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:30 am to More&Les
Man, there sure is a lot of arguing in here when the reality is that both sides were fricked up. 
Crazy, rapist, pedo, armed religious extremist vs crazy murderous overzealous LEOs. I don't see the need to argue one side was right and the other was wrong. They can both be wrong.
Crazy, rapist, pedo, armed religious extremist vs crazy murderous overzealous LEOs. I don't see the need to argue one side was right and the other was wrong. They can both be wrong. Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:08 am to YeahYeah
And you were soundly refuted multiple times over. Sorry you did not do your research before you posted.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:29 am to BottomlandBrew
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Man, there sure is a lot of arguing in here when the reality is that both sides were fricked up. Crazy, rapist, pedo, armed religious extremist vs crazy murderous overzealous LEOs. I don't see the need to argue one side was right and the other was wrong. They can both be wrong.
They can, probably were and Id never follow a man like DK.
That doesn't change the fact that a heavily armed, massive force of militarized government agents stormed a lawfully owned private facility of people exercising their rights to practice their religion, assemble, etc...
After the storming that compound brought about the deaths of multiple civilians and agents, the aforementioned massive militarized force proceeded to torture the citizens for a month and a half AND then killed them all, women and children first...
You can try to equivocate all you want, the Branch Davidians were murdered
Posted on 4/25/20 at 2:57 pm to YeahYeah
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Spoiler alert: one survivor admits to David Koresh ordering the fires to be started.
If you are talking about Graeme Craddock, he just said in testimony that he saw people pouring fuel and saying light the fire. He doesn't know if it was Koresh.
First part of his Australia 60 mins interview. Second part is in there and it is the part where he talks about them lighting it. He's still a believer. He's the only one of the nine that says this happened that I know of, none of them say it was the plan or a Koresh order.
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Well that goes against everything the survivors say, they admit in "Waco: Madman or Messiah" that they were making illegal weapons.
Would like to see that, they said they did have automatic weapons, but they were legal. This is 1993, it wasn't as expensive as it is now to have a pre 86 legal automatic weapon. It also made them good money which was a big part of their massive weapon stock and their survival because that was their money source. They were gun dealers.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:26 pm to More&Les
So after the fire, they go in and find about 20 people, many children, that died from gun shots. Plus a 3 year old stabbed in the chest. All either suicide or so they wouldn't be taken alive. Do you blame the Government for that? Would you put a knife through a 3 year olds chest?
That is the level of evil you are trying to justify and defend. Way to pick a side.
That is the level of evil you are trying to justify and defend. Way to pick a side.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:35 pm to brmark70816
The mini series is laughably bad and inaccurate in every direction
Great article on Byron Sage, the FBI man on the loudspeaker
LINK
Great article on Byron Sage, the FBI man on the loudspeaker
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