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**SPOILERS** Finally saw Thor: Love and Thunder
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:30 pm
I know there's a very old thread on this, but rather than bump something pages deep I thought I'd weigh in on a part that really bugged me about this movie.
Yes, it has a lot of flaws, but one thing I really hated was the lack of true build-up for Gorr. If you never read the comics but enjoy them, I strongly recommend reading Thor: The God of Thunder, Issues 1-11 (plus the follow-up issue 12).
One thing is that the comic remains very serious (obviously - Thor is hunting a serial killer of gods), and Gorr's acts aren't just off-screen murders. Thor encounters the results of several directly as he searches for and tries to catch Gorr. The entire story arc is well written and is considered one of the best Thor stories.
So the fact that Gorr's actual acts are barely shown (and intermingled with way too much humor) undercut how good a villain he was (a problem of the MCU admittedly). Gorr was basically Thor's Doomsday - a single arc villain that was so popular he keeps coming back in weird and various ways.
Another lost aspect is that Thor really does question if the gods are selfish beings or not. His searches include finding both malicious and fair gods equally butchered in horrifying ways. The fact that Gorr is tied to Thor's past (Thor actually encountered him as a young god, pre-Mjolnir, during the days of the Vikings) and barely survived, and due to Thor's shame from defeat he ends up not telling anyone and shoulders the blame for when Gorr resurfaces.
Anyway, I've always hated when they condense great story arcs and villains, losing a lot of what made them great to begin with.
Yes, it has a lot of flaws, but one thing I really hated was the lack of true build-up for Gorr. If you never read the comics but enjoy them, I strongly recommend reading Thor: The God of Thunder, Issues 1-11 (plus the follow-up issue 12).
One thing is that the comic remains very serious (obviously - Thor is hunting a serial killer of gods), and Gorr's acts aren't just off-screen murders. Thor encounters the results of several directly as he searches for and tries to catch Gorr. The entire story arc is well written and is considered one of the best Thor stories.
So the fact that Gorr's actual acts are barely shown (and intermingled with way too much humor) undercut how good a villain he was (a problem of the MCU admittedly). Gorr was basically Thor's Doomsday - a single arc villain that was so popular he keeps coming back in weird and various ways.
Another lost aspect is that Thor really does question if the gods are selfish beings or not. His searches include finding both malicious and fair gods equally butchered in horrifying ways. The fact that Gorr is tied to Thor's past (Thor actually encountered him as a young god, pre-Mjolnir, during the days of the Vikings) and barely survived, and due to Thor's shame from defeat he ends up not telling anyone and shoulders the blame for when Gorr resurfaces.
Anyway, I've always hated when they condense great story arcs and villains, losing a lot of what made them great to begin with.
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Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:34 pm to skrayper
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Anyway, I've always hated when they condense great story arcs and villains, losing a lot of what made them great to begin with.
Yep. They tried to jam two stories together and ended up not really doing justice. It was ok and had some nice action pieces, but too much camp.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:41 pm to JasonMason
I said it in other thread - they wasted Christian Bale for that?
Guns N Roses must have been paid rather well for the soundtrack.
It was bad since they now like to turn Thor into a comedian most of which was cringe.
Guns N Roses must have been paid rather well for the soundtrack.
It was bad since they now like to turn Thor into a comedian most of which was cringe.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:43 pm to skrayper
I saw it this weekend. Armed with low expectations and knowing it was a goof fest, I enjoyed it very much. But the goofs are pretty overwhelming.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:56 pm to skrayper
Sounds like they had the right storyline and picked the wrong director.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:05 pm to skrayper
quote:And the dumb shite with the hammer, shoulda been one or 2 jokes not half the damn movie
Yes, it has a lot of flaws, but one thing I really hated was the lack of true build-up for Gorr.
And the fact that Thor is never serious in the whole film, every line is another "witty quip"
The dialogue was exhaustingly groan inducing. The Lady Thor was handled pretty well, and not "woke" or anything. . .but every attempt at grounding the story was frustrated by another dull quip or a knwing glance at the fricking hammer.
frick that movie sucked. It was about as bad as Captain Marvel
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:05 pm to nicholastiger
quote:agree
It was bad since they now like to turn Thor into a comedian most of which was cringe.
so much camp that it took away from the story
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:16 pm to CAD703X
I couldn’t stand the screaming goats. Talk about running a joke that wasn’t that funny to begin with into the ground.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:21 pm to SpqrTiger
quote:that was terrible. even my 7yo who laughed the first time they showed up had zero reaction the 17 additional times they screamed.
alk about running a joke that wasn’t that funny to begin with into the ground
cringe level 10/10.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:27 pm to skrayper
Thor is arguably my favorite marvel hero.
Watched L&T two nights ago for the first time. Had debated on watching it even after it can to Disney +. It was below average, such a waste of a potentially great story line. frick Disney
Watched L&T two nights ago for the first time. Had debated on watching it even after it can to Disney +. It was below average, such a waste of a potentially great story line. frick Disney
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:32 pm to Roaad
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The dialogue was exhaustingly groan inducing. The Lady Thor was handled pretty well, and not "woke" or anything. . .but every attempt at grounding the story was frustrated by another dull quip or a knwing glance at the fricking hammer.
This. It just felt way too try-hard and forced. I almost couldn't take it by the end.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:59 pm to SpqrTiger
Yeah like running into the fricking planet or whatever. You have the whole scene of Jane telling Thor about her cancer and going to this planet that is devoid of color, and then Taika has to lighten it up with the goats crashing. So freaking weird.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 8:12 pm to nicholastiger
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Guns N Roses
The November Rain drop was dope. Meh movie otherwise.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 8:13 pm to Havoc
My take exactly. I had fun watching.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 9:38 pm to SpqrTiger
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I couldn’t stand the screaming goats. Talk about running a joke that wasn’t that funny to begin with into the ground
I must be weird, that cracked me every time
Posted on 9/13/22 at 6:38 am to skrayper
It was a fun watch but Waititi needs to stay far away from MCU films. The jokes were too much being that there was serious subject matter, and like everyone else said, he completely wasted one of the best actors of our time with Gorr.
The only redeeming part of the movie was the post credit scene of Brett Goldstein as Hercules.
The only redeeming part of the movie was the post credit scene of Brett Goldstein as Hercules.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 7:51 am to HuskyPanda
The second half of the movie was decent, where it was somewhat serious. Tittie Wahtiti needs to not direct Marvel movies requiring a little gravitas.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:45 am to Saint Alfonzo
I thought the acting in the first act was pretty poor. The movie got better as it went a long though.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:48 am to Wayne Campbell
my wife and I liked it, but not as much as the other Marvel movies, particularly the other Thor movies.
She loved the scene with November Rain and the kids.
She loved the scene with November Rain and the kids.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:52 am to skrayper
The movie didnt really do it for me either. It wasn't completely terrible, and I did laugh at some parts, but it could have been so much better than it was.
For the record, I really enjoyed Ragnorak, so I don't mind a bit of humor. What I do mind is that Gorr is one of Thor's top villains. Not to mention they had Christian Bale, who was largely wasted.
If we could have had scenes of Gorr straight up slaughtering some other Gods to really build him up, and take out some of the unnecessary funny quips, I still think this movie had potential.
For the record, I really enjoyed Ragnorak, so I don't mind a bit of humor. What I do mind is that Gorr is one of Thor's top villains. Not to mention they had Christian Bale, who was largely wasted.
If we could have had scenes of Gorr straight up slaughtering some other Gods to really build him up, and take out some of the unnecessary funny quips, I still think this movie had potential.
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