re: Rings of Power ep 8

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I think the lotr films are a masterpiece and I love them.

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Jackson's version of Tolkiens universe.

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This show is pretty far off base and has a ton of flaws but I find myself wanting to watch it every week.

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From what Tolkien wrote in the books yes but not from what Jackson created.

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I assume isidors (sp) dad marrys the queen making him king and how the ring comes to isidor.

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You have not read Tolkien it appears but know of Jackson's version only.

Didn't watch the last 2 episodes but thought this was funny/revealing.

The Rings of Power Superfans -Where Are They Now

Nice 9 pages. So pretty much the entire war of the rings, Sauron rise to power, and the final confrontation was all because of Galadriel...

Not a good look that a woman fricked it up and a whole army of men had to go and clean up her mess...Unless she was there to help cut off Sauron fingers.

In a way, it would make sense for her to be there because it kinda weird to have Elendil and Isildur, regular humans just go toe to toe with Sauron. But a powerful elf queen vs the Dark Lord and while she couldn't defeat him, she did weaken them, letting Isildur cut off Sauron fingers.

Cause less face it, that was a very dumb way to lose to anyone unless he was severely weekend before hand. Which, i guess Amazon could now patched in.

Heck, would not surprise me if the eve before the final battle, Galadriel took in a special force of elves to try and kill Sauron but failed but not before weakning him to mortal standards.

That would explain why Sauron didn't show up until the very end of that battle since the Final Alliance was kicking his Orc army skull in.

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Sauron rise to power, and the final confrontation was all because of Galadriel...

Not a good look that a woman fricked it up and a whole army of men had to go and clean up her mess

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Troy, Helen... things happen

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In a way, it would make sense for her to be there because it kinda weird to have Elendil and Isildur, regular humans just go toe to toe with Sauron. But a powerful elf queen vs the Dark Lord and while she couldn't defeat him, she did weaken them, letting Isildur cut off Sauron fingers.

Cause less face it, that was a very dumb way to lose to anyone unless he was severely weekend before hand. Which, i guess Amazon could now patched in

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well, just going by the books, it wasn't Elendil and Isildur, it was Elendil and Gil Galad (Isildur and Elrond were with them, basically as their pages- not actual pages, but for that fight they were). So you have the greatest of the Numenoreans and the Elf King, double-teaming Sauron. And the three took each other down. Isildur then took the broken shard of Narsil and cut the Ring from Sauron's fallen body.
See, as this show reinforces- you take Sauron DOWN, you don't take him out. He doesn't die. They mention it with a non-canon reference to Adar cutting him down... it didn't destroy him.

Gandalf doesn't end when he succumbs battling the Balrog, he returns (respawns ) in Valinor. But he's on the Valar's side, it makes sense for him to do that.
Sauron is the same type of being, but not of Valinor, so he doesn't go there to regenerate. He goes off somewhere to the wilderness in the East of Middle Earth. Rhun, likely.
The Maiar don't take being "pseudo-killed" well... Sauron avoided that when Huan had him by the throat, Luthien forced him to withdraw so he didn't lose his body that way. He wouldn't have submitted if he could shrug that off easily.
It's later proven true, when he is caught up in the destruction of Numenor. He DOES lose his body then, and it took him a long time (in the books) to regenerate a body. And this one wouldn't be "fair" or shapeshift, he either lost that attribute- or he was too pissed to be more than a figure of terror and rage.

This body was defeated, quite likely by force of arms in the duel against Elrond and Gil Galad... but again not dead. But since he tied up a lot of power into the Ring, when Isildur cut the Ring free and took it from him, he regenerated again, at even slower a pace. Thousands of years this time, and with even less ability to change form- Gollum saw him, and commented that he had only 4 digits on his hand (but it was enough).

If he never made the Ring and devoted so much of his power into it, he wins by simply playing the long game. Each time he is defeated, the forces of Good lose a large amount of their strength, never to return. He, on the other hand, returns to the same level as before. His pride and folly of putting his essence into the Ring, made him vulnerable- destroy the Ring, and Sauron again doesn't die, but now never can reform into anything more than a vague, gloomy mood. In theory, he's still around, but gets defeated by a bright sunny day or a nice breeze.

For a sequel concept (just off the cuff), I suppose he could gain influence if someone played with a Palantir and directly sought him out. *or became a hateful website? *
He'd never have the strength to force someone to do something against their will, but I imagine he could impart knowledge to one who desires what he could offer.

Only Morgoth has actually departed Arda, rather than be reduced to a shadow. And it's said he will lay siege to the Gates of Night in the final battle.

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For a sequel concept (just off the cuff), I suppose he could gain influence if someone played with a Palantir and directly sought him out. *or became a hateful website? *
He'd never have the strength to force someone to do something against their will, but I imagine he could impart knowledge to one who desires what he could offer.

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This video goes into Tolkien's letter about a sequel to lord of the rings and why he seemed to abandon it.

The New Shadow: Tolkien Sequel

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As good as the dwarves are, I think all five are better smiths than any dwarf.

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Gotta disagree with you there...

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A warlike race of old were all the Naugrim, and they would fight fiercely against whomsoever aggrieved them: servants of Melkor, or Eldar, or Avari, or wild beasts, or not seldom their own kin, Dwarves of other mansions and lordships. Their smithcraft indeed the Sindar soon learned of them; yet in the tempering of steel alone of all crafts the Dwarves were never outmatched even by the Noldor, and in the making of mail of linked rings, which was first contrived by the smiths of Belegost, their work had no rival.

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Writers probably wanted the “who is Sauron?” plotlines to be talking points or argument points for audience to drive interest in the show

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he’s a familiar character so that will be empty content to kickoff the next season.

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I'm not fully familiar with the books but do they go into what Sauron was doing after the 3 rings were created? I thought we would now go see him create the one ring. Maybe my timelines are mixed up because I thought the one ring wasn't created till after he left.

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Writers probably wanted the “who is Sauron?” plotlines to be talking points or argument points for audience to drive interest in the show

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Yes and who is the "Stranger" talks drove interest for sure. I actually like that stuff when a show is a weekly release. Creates some fun discussion. I'm hoping in time people who are just fine watching the show for what is will be able to talk about it without having to swim through the tears.

Honestly, Plinkett needs to be brought back to shite all over The Rings of Power. I know Mike is a fan of the films, but don’t know how big of a fan of the books he is, but if he’s as anywhere near as rabid about LotR as he is about Star Trek, it could be great.

For those who don’t know who Plinkett is: YouTube