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re: Rings of Power ep 8

Posted on 10/15/22 at 12:21 am to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 12:21 am to
And by the way: Halbrand/Sauron walking into Mordor simply ripped off the ending of the Two Towers. That’s it.

EDIT: And to anyone who thought Halbrand was genuine with Galadriel, Sauron’s goal in the books was to turn her into a Wraith that would make the Witch King look like a total pussy. He was honest he was going to turn her into a Queen, but one where she’d be pleading for death and could not have it.
This post was edited on 10/15/22 at 12:31 am
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 12:35 am to
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OMLandshark


Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:23 am to
Looking back at the past episodes, gotta wonder how much of Galadriel's trip out to sea was real, and how much was illusion. Was there ever anyone else on the raft? Was there a sea dragon at all?
Posted by taylork37
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 7:00 am to
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OMLandshark


It must suck to be as miserable as you constantly seem to be.

You might need to lay off the constant politics for a while.

This post was edited on 10/15/22 at 7:01 am
Posted by Civildawg
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:29 pm to
Angry joe review of the last episode had me cracking up. I’m not a lore person so Sauron didn’t forge the rings of power in the books but he did in this series?

LINK
Posted by Broken Coyote
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 2:28 pm to
In the lore, Annatar went first to Linden where Gil Galad, Galadriel and Elrond, while not knowing he was Sauron, didn’t trust him and turned him away. So he goes to Eregion where he befriended Celebrimborn. There they created the 9 rings he gave to men and the seven he gave to the Dwarf Lords. Then he left.
Celebrimborn then created the three elvin rings in secret. One went to Gil Galad who later gave it to Elrond. One he gave to Galadriel and one to Cirdan the shipwright, lord of the Gray Havens, who gave his ring to Gandalf later when he arrived in Middle Earth, by ship.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 2:39 pm to
The really big problem created by this episode-
we have zero evidence of any of the lesser rings (the 9 and the 7) being created.

Without the 9, there are no Nazgul. Per the books, Thorin was actually looking for one of the 7, that his father had, when he organized the expedition to Erebor.

Most of the time when they stray off lore, it's an annoyance to the book readers, but it doesn't create much problem for continuity. In this case, it absolutely does, and needs to be addressed.
Posted by Broken Coyote
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 3:25 pm to
Other than Galadriels entire arc and characterization in the show, which I detest, there are many aspects to enjoy, such as the cinematographer, my biggest other issue is time and space. The world of The rings of power feels tiny and that makes events feel claustrophobic without any explanation. There’s a reason Gil Galad in Linden didn’t know of events in Eregion during the making of the Rings of Power. They didn’t live in the same subdivision.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 9:21 pm to
Wait so there are other rings already made?
Posted by Soul Gleaux
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 9:33 pm to
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Nazgul


The eminem chick looked eerily similar to the one that stabbed Frodo, when Gandalf I’m gooded them.
This post was edited on 10/15/22 at 9:35 pm
Posted by Nerd
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:37 am to
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The really big problem created by this episode- we have zero evidence of any of the lesser rings (the 9 and the 7) being created.


My amateur assumption is that they will be created in later seasons.

The elves needed the rings to survive or whatever. The dwarves don’t need them yet (maybe the Balrog will give them a reason?) and neither do the men.
Posted by Magician2
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 4:00 pm to
So that leads into my question. One of the 3 sorcerers mentioned to the wizard that the star map he had was of Rhun.

For book readers weren't there corrupted dwarves there in the second age?

I hope they actually visually portray that in latter season as we never saw it in LOTR or Hobbit.

I'm thinking we have to see more dwarve strongholds than Durin and other groups of men (leaders) in next season. Wouldn't be surprised to see a time jump as well.
Posted by JohnnyBgood
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 4:19 pm to
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For book readers weren't there corrupted dwarves there in the second age?


Rhun was home to corrupted men known as the Easterlings, who served Sauron. There were some clans of dwarves there, but most eventually migrated West.

The “Stranger” is likely one of the Blue Wizards (Istar) that remained in the East.
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 4:45 pm
Posted by Civildawg
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:51 pm to
Watched the nerd of the rings recap on this season and man, I feel bad for the dude. He was so hopeful this season but it seems like the last couple of episodes messed with the lore big time and he’s pretty disappointed in the direction they took.
Posted by Laugh More
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:00 pm to
Fantastic and succinct outline.

Can someone explain to me how this couldn’t have been the exact storyline in the show?
Posted by OBReb6
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 9:30 pm to
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The only people who hate it are the ones who hated it before it came out


Not true at all. I gave every attempt possible to like it and it just flat out sucked
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 10:04 pm to
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Not true at all. I gave every attempt possible to like it and it just flat out sucked

I didn't think it sucked, but there's definitely some work ahead for the team.

First, quit the trendy "surprise the audience" thing with writing. Nobody who wants to see this, wants surprises... if they haven't read the Silmarillion etc any basic plot would be unknown in details, including the lore as written.
If they DID read that and other stuff, they are watching to see a known tale brought to screen, not to be given a bait-and-switch.
I honestly can't think of a show where "subverting expectations" was a success. You could argue that GoT cratered itself when they tried intentionally to set someone up to be the hero, and then switch off that course.
Tolkien is moreso that concept; it's traditional good v evil, with heroic deeds and terrible villains. That's it's appeal.

Second, ... ok, you have resources. Quit playing with them just to show you can, and work on incorporating things into the storyline. Galadriel on the slo-mo horse ride is exhibit A. It looked great if you only see that clip, but it's so weirdly out of place in an irrelevant part of the story, that it's laughable.

Third, spend time on the relevant parts of the story, and get rid of the filler. We had more on-screen time with the Harfoots packing to leave, and/or saying goodbye to Nori, than we had for actual Rings of Power forging. Celebrimbor and Sauron/Halbrand were onscreen together for maybe 5 minutes. We watched Nori say goodbye for longer than that.
Side-note, nobody cares about Hobbits/Harfoots. Like, they literally didn't, which was why it was such a surprise to Gondor/Sauron etc that they were involved.
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 10:07 pm to
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And by the way: Halbrand/Sauron walking into Mordor simply ripped off the ending of the Two Towers. That’s it.


I love how you swore off watching the show, then pop up in every episode thread, say you only watched one clip, and then cite multiple scenes that you didn’t like.

When are you going to just admit you watched every minute of this show?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 11:17 pm to
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Side-note, nobody cares about Hobbits/Harfoot


This.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:02 am to
I’m still amazed by the end of this season. Sauron to Galadriel:

“I alone can see your greatness.”

Ummm, of possibly any fictional character ever written, Galadriel does not have this issue. Fëanor’s jealousy of his possibly teenaged niece at the time may have led to all this, and he’s widely regarded as the most powerful elf who has ever lived. No one underestimates her ever. If anything they steelman her. Only after Sauron is she more feared in Middle Earth.

And by the way it took a fricking historian to find out that there hasn’t been a King of the Southlands for a thousand years? It’d be like me claiming to be the King of Mexico, everyone taking my word for it, only for someone to open up any history book to tell everyone there’s never been a King of Mexico. Not one person thought to look into the histories before Galadriel asked it? This show is so fricking stupid and worthy of all the ridicule it gets.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 2:11 am
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