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re: Report: CEO of Disney wants Kathleen Kennedy fired from Lucasfilm
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:13 am to meeple
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:13 am to meeple
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I can't remember, but when SW and ESB came out, was it already known that it was part of an overall trilogy?
Star Wars was written as a stand alone movie. No one foresaw what it would become. After it exploded, talks of a sequel started. By the time ESB was released, plans were in place to make it a trilogy.
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Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:15 am to DelU249
Kathleen Kennedy = Derek Dooley
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:20 am to TygerTyger
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I can't remember, but when SW and ESB came out, was it already known that it was part of an overall trilogy?
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Star Wars was written as a stand alone movie. No one foresaw what it would become. After it exploded, talks of a sequel started. By the time ESB was released, plans were in place to make it a trilogy.
There was already a general idea though if it was a success. You don't show Vader fly away if not.
But of course a trilogy wasn't green-lit already.
From Marks interview today.
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“Remember, George had an overall arc [in the original trilogy],” he explains. “If he didn't have all the details, he had sort of an overall feel for where the three were going. But this one's more like a relay race. You run and hand the torch off to the next guy, he picks it up and goes. Rian didn't write what happens in 9 - he was going to hand it off to, originally, Colin Trevorrow and now J.J.”
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:23 am to Mystery
We don't deserve Mark Hammill. He's too good for us.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:30 am to Mystery
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But this one's more like a relay race. You run and hand the torch off to the next guy, he picks it up and goes. Rian didn't write what happens in 9 - he was going to hand it off to,
Except when Rian got the baton he tossed it over his shoulder
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:33 am to H-Town Tiger
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 5:35 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:33 am to H-Town Tiger
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Except when Rian got the baton he tossed it over his shoulder
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:37 am to Dr RC
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Don’t be an idiot. She wouldn’t have advanced to where she got if she didn’t have talent.
Looks more like she wouldn't have advanced to her current position if she didn't have access to Steven Spielberg's ear.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 11:41 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:38 am to jlovel7
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We don't deserve Mark Hammill. He's too good for us.
Also from that interview. This was already confirmed before but here is more evidence that Rian just threw out what even JJ wanted for Luke. Like how Luke changes from Jedi Robes to rags.
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In fact, the Luke actor has been famously unsure, even critical of that shift, and clearly still has conflicting emotions on the subject: “It was a radical change, but I think sometimes being pushed out of your comfort zone is a good thing [...] Although a part of me said to Rian, ‘but you know, a Jedi would never give up’. My concept of the character was that even if I chose the New Hitler thinking he was the New Hope, yeah I'd feel terrible, but I wouldn't secret myself on an island and then turn off the Force.”
As it happens, the initial plan for Episode VIII doesn’t seem to have been quite as extreme a shift as Johnson’s version became. Discussing The Force Awakens’ final scene - Rey standing before a stony-faced Luke on Ahch-To - Hamill explains that Abrams originally intended for there to be a show of Luke’s now-huge power: “J.J. said, ‘Oh and by the way I'll probably put in a couple of floating boulders to show the Force emanating from you, as strong as it is.’ So I'm thinking for VIII, I'm going to have Force Lightning coming out of every orifice of my body. You know, lifting an eyebrow and toppling AT-ATs like dominoes. That would have been fun to be that powerful! Plus, I wouldn't have to do much. They wouldn't have to teach me choreography to do lightsaber duels. I'd just have to do this,” Hamill points across the room, “and let the special effects guy do everything.”
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 11:41 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:45 am to H-Town Tiger
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Except when Rian got the baton he tossed it over his shoulder
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:02 pm to Mystery
This part is very telling:
How is a writer supposed to be invested in characters he didn't create, and that he's going to have for one movie before moving on? I mean, to Rian, I can sort of see a "let's shake things up" mentality. It didn't need it, but he didn't care - he wasn't even responsible for cleaning it up in the next movie, and now another writer (assuming they don't remake it) has to justify all the points Rian made.
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“Remember, George had an overall arc [in the original trilogy],” he explains. “If he didn't have all the details, he had sort of an overall feel for where the three were going. But this one's more like a relay race. You run and hand the torch off to the next guy, he picks it up and goes. Rian didn't write what happens in 9 - he was going to hand it off to, originally, Colin Trevorrow and now J.J.”
How is a writer supposed to be invested in characters he didn't create, and that he's going to have for one movie before moving on? I mean, to Rian, I can sort of see a "let's shake things up" mentality. It didn't need it, but he didn't care - he wasn't even responsible for cleaning it up in the next movie, and now another writer (assuming they don't remake it) has to justify all the points Rian made.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:19 pm to skrayper
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How is a writer supposed to be invested in characters he didn't create, and that he's going to have for one movie before moving on? I mean, to Rian, I can sort of see a "let's shake things up" mentality. It didn't need it, but he didn't care - he wasn't even responsible for cleaning it up in the next movie, and now another writer (assuming they don't remake it) has to justify all the points Rian made.
Harry Potter had 4 different directors, 3 different writers and 5 different producers for their 7 movies. Marvel has different directors, producers and screen writers as well for all of their films.
It's really not difficult if the director isn't a complete asshat that can't follow the general themes of the source material, and you have a head honcho that wouldn't allow that arse hat to completely ignore what makes the source material so great on film.
Pretty sure you aren't going to see Captain America turn into what Luke became, or see a serious and dark Ant-Man movie lacking comedy b/c Kevin Feige would fire that asshat the second he read the script.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
This is true, but Harry Potter had the books as a source material. They had a fleshed out storyline made for them. Marvel has the comics to go with and fiegie? has the over say of all there movies. So if it doesn't match up with other movies or doesn't help progress the story, it doesn't make the cut. This is supposed to be kennedys job, except she botched a slam dunk
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:29 pm to RollTide1987
It’s been said already but I’ll pile on. The Last Jedi was so bad that it really doesn’t matter what they do, the franchise is lost. Luke Skywalker was ruined and killed off. They had a chance to give Leia a good ending but it’s too late. Rey is too perfect and it’s too late to change her arc. Etc. We’ve said it before but TLJ was more like the ending of a series and it left the franchise with almost no room to go forward. Short of a miracle by JJ Abrams, the current Star Wars storyline is done.
I’ll catch the films when they get on HBO or something, but my days of seeing these films in the theater are probably over.
I’ll catch the films when they get on HBO or something, but my days of seeing these films in the theater are probably over.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:09 pm to The Boat
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That's the guy who teaches EXST 2201 at LSU
That guy still there? My friends and I used to joke and call him Professor Lucas
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:25 pm to RollTide1987
As the new head of LucasFilm. My first official act is to issue a public apology for the disaster that has been the new era of Star Wars films and all of the new era excluding Rogue One are officially non-cannon.
2. I'm going to pay Harrison Ford what he wants to be in all three films, despite him hating the series at this point. Leia's death will be explained away and a source of tension. Timothy Zahn's novels will be used as a base but we will clean up certain aspects that will reflect the age of the actors, where they would be in the timeline, and some digital altering will be used to make them younger
3. Other Potential Stories: The Sith Wars/Jedi vs Sith, The Mandalorian Wars/Jango Fett/Boba Fett, The Jedi Purge/Darth Vader
2. I'm going to pay Harrison Ford what he wants to be in all three films, despite him hating the series at this point. Leia's death will be explained away and a source of tension. Timothy Zahn's novels will be used as a base but we will clean up certain aspects that will reflect the age of the actors, where they would be in the timeline, and some digital altering will be used to make them younger
3. Other Potential Stories: The Sith Wars/Jedi vs Sith, The Mandalorian Wars/Jango Fett/Boba Fett, The Jedi Purge/Darth Vader
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:50 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Having Luke die for no apparent reason at the end of 8 was a coup de grace. Hat is an easy fix. We even saw Yoda interact with the physical world in episode 8 so it's not outnof the realm.
Um..that was a big problem in 8. Changing the fact that the dead Jedis can now interact with the physical world pretty much changes everything. And not in a good way.
Lightspeed ship bombs
Jedi Ghost lightening strikes
Two complete changes in the physical world that pretty much make the previous rules/movies pointless.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:58 pm to crash1211
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Looks more like she wouldn't have advanced to her current position if she didn't have access to Steven Spielberg's ear.
She had his ear b/c he believed she was talented and had great ideas. You don't work with a person like him for that long if they don't think you know what you are doing.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 4:15 pm to KirkLazarus
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Timothy Zahn's novels will be used as a base but we will clean up certain aspects that will reflect the age of the actors, where they would be in the timeline, and some digital altering will be used to make them younger
Of all the things they have not done I am still very surprised they didn't simply adapt the Thrawn trilogy.
I feel things like that indicate that Kennedy's biggest failing w/running the series is she isn't actually a fan. She has a general idea of what people like but never actually went into books, comics, games etc so she didn't realize how easy it would be to just adapt the best parts of the EU. I'm sure it didn't help things that Lucas laid out what sounds like a pile of poo-doo w/more midichlorians garbage as he was going out the door.
Part of the problem is probably also money hungry investors forcing Disney to milk the frick out of Star Wars while ignoring all other IP that Lucasfilm owns. Things like Willow and Labyrinth should have people working on them as well as simply getting George's ideas for new IP. Say what you will about his storytelling, he does come up with interesting ideas.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 6/26/18 at 7:41 pm to Scoob
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Star Wars was never Shakespearean drama, but it did have an intelligible storyline running through the OT, and extending back into the prequels. The first 6 films together, it's fairly easy to project certain plots going forward. It was actually a lot harder to imagine a coherent plot emerging from Marvel, than from the Star Wars framework.
Not to mention they totally disregarded the EU instead of drawing from it. There’s a gigantic, rich story to use as inspiration while still being original.
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