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re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 3 Discussion thread
Posted on 6/3/22 at 10:34 am to Esquire
Posted on 6/3/22 at 10:34 am to Esquire
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The only reason Dooku was allowed to escape is because Yoda had to save Kenobi and Anakin from getting crushed by that column Dooku dropped on them.
Look i'm not saying Dooku defeated Yoda, and Yoda clearly showed him he was more powerful, but the reason he got away was for movie reasons. Yoda could have just as easily forced moved the column as quickly as Dooku did, instead of spending 10 seconds focusing on just that so Dooku could escape.
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That’s like saying Vader couldn’t defeat Luke because Luke fell down the shaft.
and that was a completely different "fight". He was never going to defeat him. It's his son, and he knew it at that point. He was playing a much different game, and toying with him, more or less to show him how much more powerful the dark side was so he'd join him.
This post was edited on 6/3/22 at 10:38 am
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Posted on 6/3/22 at 11:24 am to peaster68
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Obi-Wan was not looking to fight whatsoever. He hadn’t used the force in a decade.
Ok, this is just lazy writing. It is a cut-n-paste of last jedi and the fallen order game. Literally, Kenobi cutting himself from the force, is like asking him to cut off his arm. He has been force sensitive his entire life and trained all his life to use the force. It is not believable and silly. What would be more compelling is to basically have an OP Master Kenobi that is forced not to use his powers for fear of what the empire will do to the people around him. That would be much more suspenseful and more inline with the Kenobi we see in rebels and a new hope.
I thought the Vader appearance was incredible. Him walking killing people to draw out ObiWan was perfectly done. But ObiWan Kenobi would not have just stood around an let Vader kill people like that without calling him out and facing him. Again, it just goes against what has been established for this character throughout six movies, entirety of clone wars and part of rebels.
This third sister has about as much power as Ventrus, Kenobi would not fear her as they are trying to make it out.
Disney is horrible about ignoring their own lore. But these are writing choices, lazy choices, but the show is not bad, I was entertained by all three episodes and I do not think the woke is as bad as people are portraying it.
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I hope we see the force ghost of Qui Gon
It cannot be a force ghost, it can only be a voice. Qui Gon never achieved full oneness with the force per Disney cannon end of Clone Wars season six.
Also, Vader never defeated Kenobi (Again Disney Cannon). Kenobi chose to let Vader beat him trying to show Luke Vader's evil and to become one with the force. Even in comics and stuff Vader puzzles about his "defeat" of ObiWan.
This post was edited on 6/3/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/3/22 at 11:36 am to FreddieMac
I agree, I would probably rather an Obi Wan that has all the ability but solid reasons to not use his powers but they want to give him an arc. His arc can't be hide your powers but then realizing using them to save people is important and then go back into hiding for 9 years.
But honestly, I really wish he would've at least tried to jedi mind trick the stormtroopers and when/if that didn't work he would have to blast them. I think it is a little odd to have one of the strongest jedi we have ever seen rarely use any of his abilities.
Also, everyone talking about Reva's acting but I think the fifth brother annoys me just as much. It is like the directors got the worst takes from them in every scene
But honestly, I really wish he would've at least tried to jedi mind trick the stormtroopers and when/if that didn't work he would have to blast them. I think it is a little odd to have one of the strongest jedi we have ever seen rarely use any of his abilities.
Also, everyone talking about Reva's acting but I think the fifth brother annoys me just as much. It is like the directors got the worst takes from them in every scene
Posted on 6/3/22 at 11:40 am to Esquire
Speaking of Yoda, I was kind of expecting Vader to ask where he was. Wouldn't that be priority one for the Emperor?
Posted on 6/3/22 at 12:10 pm to FreddieMac
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But ObiWan Kenobi would not have just stood around an let Vader kill people like that without calling him out and facing him. Again, it just goes against what has been established for this character throughout six movies, entirety of clone wars and part of rebels.
What about when Padme fell out the transport ship and he told Anakin to forget about her, the mission comes first? His only priority is protecting Leia. Exposing himself to help the civilians would have put her in jeopardy.
This post was edited on 6/3/22 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/3/22 at 12:28 pm to saintsfan92612
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Also, everyone talking about Reva's acting but I think the fifth brother annoys me just as much. It is like the directors got the worst takes from them in every scene
It also feels like a weird Asian caricature. Let's not only hire an Asian actor but also make him use a really stereotypical Asian accent.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 12:35 pm to FreddieMac
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Also, Vader never defeated Kenobi (Again Disney Cannon). Kenobi chose to let Vader beat him trying to show Luke Vader's evil and to become one with the force. Even in comics and stuff Vader puzzles about his "defeat" of ObiWan.
and that's how it should be. He should never defeat Obi-Wan. ever.
when he tells him "i was but a learner now i am the master" line, it should be that he's saying that b/c he's cocky and wants to believe it, but it's simply not true, and he'll never be able to defeat his master. Even when he kills him, he doesn't actually defeat him, and that sentiment should always be present with any Vader/Obi-Wan interaction.
Which is why i bitched about Obi-Wan getting his arse handed to him in this episode and ridiculously getting saved by someone shooting one storm trooper and some fire. It was just horrible writing.
Vader should live his life irritated at all times that Obi-Wan did what he did to him, and he's never able to truly get back at him, b/c good will always triumph over evil.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 12:43 pm to la_birdman
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This.
Even Vader didn't know about her until he was chasing Luke in the Emperor's chamber in ROTJ.
"Your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for....... sister. So...... you have a twin sister"
That's my point though. If I'm Vader I'm asking a lot of questions about why Kenobi reappears after ten years, why is Leia so special to him, and that would reveal her identity well before that scene in the OT. Hence I'm curious how that will be, if handled. So many Jedi hunted and killed and a Senator's daughter coaxes him out?
But as mentioned there are already continuity problems for years.
This post was edited on 6/3/22 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:31 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:As I said before, I don't think that draws attention to Leia, as much as it does to Bail.
That's my point though. If I'm Vader I'm asking a lot of questions about why Kenobi reappears after ten years, why is Leia so special to him, and that would reveal her identity well before that scene in the OT. Hence I'm curious how that will be, if handled. So many Jedi hunted and killed and a Senator's daughter coaxes him out?
To everyone but the viewer, Kenobi didn't rescue Leia (the 10 yr old girl), he rescued Senator Organa's daughter.
Vader's spies can confirm, Kenobi dropped out of sight before Organa came home with this girl. We know this, because Luke and Leia were born on Organa's ship, and Kenobi left with Luke for Tatooine (and Yoda left for Dagobah) before Organa's ship landed back on Alderaan.
There's ZERO connection to the little girl herself. Kenobi wasn't saving a stray, or someone who was taken for being Force-sensitive. He was saving a Senator's daughter.
The investigation won't be about Leia, it will be into the Senator. And somehow, Bail will skate on that.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:44 pm to Dr RC
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Any time the plot moves forward, it is because of a chance encounter.
It's been that way since the beginning of A New Hope.
Leia just happened to be above Tatooine, where her secret brother just happened to live, whose uncle just happened to need a couple of new droids, that just happened to end up w/the Jawas that Owen usually bought gear from, and happened to get R2D2 b/c the red R2 unit had a bad motivator.... etc etc etc.
Wouldn't canon argue the Living Force is guiding events?
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:45 pm to Scoob
I get your point, I just don't think that is how anyone would conduct that investigation. The show may do that to keep the story intact, but that would be a stretch to me.
This post was edited on 6/3/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:52 pm to Scoob
quote:except he built a fortress on Mustafar next to where obiwan cut him down, just so he could feed his hate.
I guess Vader just hated sand that badly, he totally blotted out the idea of ever looking at Tatooine again.
Feel like he would have revisited that place that made him who he is, resupply to his anger, etc.
This post was edited on 6/3/22 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:54 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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More likely some woman we've never heard of will save the day, again.
Obi Wan needs a slump buster.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:18 pm to SEClint
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except he built a fortress on Mustafar next to where obiwan cut him down, just so he could feed his hate.
And to use it as a vessel of the dark side to bring Padme back to life, according to his comics at least.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:22 pm to PsychTiger
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Obi Wan needs a slump buster.
that would be awesome. Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:34 pm to Esquire
quote:I've heard the argument when Vader says he feels a presence he hasn't felt in ANH..
And to use it as a vessel of the dark side to bring Padme back to life, according to his comics at least.
He was talking about Padme not Obi-Wan, being Luke was there and he could sense part of her being alive.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 5:18 pm to RyanMartin835
The girl in the middle is stacked. They are huge
Posted on 6/3/22 at 6:06 pm to SEClint
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He was talking about Padme not Obi-Wan, being Luke was there and he could sense part of her being alive.
If that were true, Vader would have felt that from the time he captured Leia on, not just when Luke showed up on the Death Star. But I guess you could make the argument that it was only when both of Padme’s children were together that her presence was strong enough. Still makes more sense that he was referring to Obi Wan though.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 8:45 pm to Bonkers119
This episode was a lot better than the first two. I trashed the first two on here so I am here to eat crow.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 9:45 pm to James11111
I must have missed something and maybe this is a stupid question but...3rd sis says “lord Vader” and obi wan knows immediately that he is anakin, how exactly?
assuming he is aware of the existence of lord Vader, how would he have know that he is actually anakin? If he thought anakin was dead?
what did i miss?
assuming he is aware of the existence of lord Vader, how would he have know that he is actually anakin? If he thought anakin was dead?
what did i miss?
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