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re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 3 Discussion thread

Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:41 pm to
Posted by Stidham8
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:41 pm to
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zero, and I mean zero percent change Vader (should) have been feeling pity in that moment.


Agreed I think you’re right on that but agree with the overall symbolism.
Posted by lsuguy84
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:05 pm to
Two things popped into my head. Maybe he thinks the Emperor lied to him and Padme is still alive. If he kills Obi-Wan, there’s no chance of finding her. Or, he thinks Obi-Wan is still talking to Yoda and the remaining Jedi, and if he kills him, he loses his best chance of ending the Jedi once and for all.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:08 pm to
Jeez, some people are just determined to be miserable with this. If you hate the damn show that much, just quit watching. Easy move. You lose nothing of the original by skipping it.

I think the overall story is good. We knew Kenobi went to Tatooine to watch over Luke, the general assumption is he just stayed there until they boarded the Falcon. I couldn't come up with something important enough for him to set that aside... but this makes sense. Luke is safe as long as Jedi aren't drawing the Inquisitors there, and Leia (the other sibling) being in danger would be a big deal. Organa couldn't rescue her, he turns to the only Jedi he knows (and knows is alive, and that knows exactly who his adopted daughter really is) for help.
This puts Kenobi at greater risk, but the potential of those kids makes it worth it.

Vader having a boner to hunt down Kenobi makes plenty of sense, he's probably #1 on his list. His underlings would be quite aware of that.

Now, targeting Organa's kid to draw him out... that's a little iffy, but nothing too far gone for Star Wars. We know Organa showed up at the Temple that night, I THINK there's some known connection between Organa and the Jedi. Trying to remember exactly what, I think it was more his friendship to Padme more than anything. I'd have to dig through some material to find something more. But anyway, we know he's powerful and influencial, one of the few able to speak against Palpatine publically at all. If nothing else, Vader would suspect there is some connection, and this would test that theory.
It's going to be interesting to see how Organa survives this, going forward. Probably will have a halfway believable excuse why it was Kenobi who rescued his daughter, maybe he floated a ransom bounty and that's who answered.

Third Sister is annoying, but simply a supporting character at this point, one who's almost certain to cross Vader now. I look forward to her downfall.

Leia's a kid. The chase scenes are goofy, her snarky attitude is annoying, but that seems to be a Disney staple. I just choose to ignore that.
Posted by dirtsandwich
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:17 pm to
Now, now. There’s no need for a reasonable point of view in this discussion.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:55 pm to
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Vader went through a near death experience, has to have a suit to live, and constant medical treatments to keep him even functioning. Yet he force drags people when they meet again
imagine if he didnt have to have any of that. He would be twice as strong.
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OBW, possibly the most pwerful Jedi to that point,
not at all

But who he was as a man makes up for many shortcomings.
Posted by dirtsandwich
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:19 pm to
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who he was as a man makes up for many shortcomings

Interesting point.
Posted by hg
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 6:14 pm to
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Something has to happen that forces Ben to stop being fearful. He wasnt fearful in 4, but is now. He has to get his force connect back


It seems pretty obvious by the end of this, he's going to talk to Qui-Gon Jinn's force ghost and turn around and beat Vader for a finale time
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 6:15 pm to
I still think Mace Windu lives.

Maybe Cal Kestis comes across him in the new Fallen Order 2: Jedi Survivor
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 6:16 pm
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 6:20 pm to
He needs to do something.

Imagine letting yourself go and burying your lightsaber..oblivious to the fact that Maul and Darth Vader are activly searching the galaxy for your arse..lol and he's just walking around in public showing his face, id have had a Tusken Raider uniform on standby just for emergencies.

Eta

Also, he has to ask himself..what do you have to do to off somebody??

imagine finding out and realizing that you cut a guy in half and sent him down a trash compactor..then you cut off a guy's arms, legs and let the lava take him..and they hate you so much that they not only refused to die but got stronger in many ways..

Maybe there is a common denominator here.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 6:36 pm
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 6:51 pm to
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But Obi Wan beat Darth Maul (twice)


Let's not act like he really won that "fight"..I mean, Maul just fought an unfair 2 on 1 and bested both opponents killing a jedi master in the process. If you watch the fight itself, you see he hands everyone their arse. If it had been 1 on 1 from the beginning, Maul walks off with Anakin to train in private and overthrow the Emperor. (Imagine the badass Anakin would be. All limbs, no robotics and trained to fight by Maul)

It was a gimmicky ending that made no sense and was a part of what was wrong in the prequels. After killing his master in front of him.. Maul should have been an issue for Obiwan throughout the prequels, could have been written great..They realized it was the wrong decision and thats why he was brought back to life anyways.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 6:57 pm
Posted by FreddieMac
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 7:23 pm to
The only complaint I have is that ObiWan is to weak. This is appears to contradict the ObiWan book that is cannon. They should read their books before writing screenplays.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 7:25 pm
Posted by BearCrocs
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 7:25 pm to
This show fricking sucks. No way to spin it.
Posted by kilo
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 7:57 pm to
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This show fricking sucks. No way to spin it.


Yep. I was hopeful but am not surprised.

Shame. Fans waited decades for an extended universe live action take on big/small screen and outside Mando has been pure let down across the board.

Disney is a cancer.

Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:14 pm to
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It was a gimmicky ending that made no sense


Especially considering that Maul had the high ground.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:44 pm to
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Disney is a cancer.


Id rather see a Wiseau-Films production of jt.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:45 pm to
Yeesh. I was hoping after the first two episodes the story would get better. Nope. Whoever is writing these episodes needs to never write anything Star Wars again.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 10:29 pm to
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Third Sister is annoying, but simply a supporting character at this point, one who's almost certain to cross Vader now. I look forward to her downfall.
watch her defend herself with force lightning
Posted by Crimson K
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Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:42 pm to
This episode was definitely better than either of the first 2, but it was still pretty blah. The 30 seconds of Vader in Rogue One topped him in this easily. Leia and #Sister were much improved for sure, but the writing is just plain lazy and everything comes across low budget still.
The fight between Vader and Kenobi was mostly a couple of dudes walking slowly around a gravel pit.

Ben can't use his lightsaber for shite, but somehow he is now a deadeye with a blaster pistol.

Any time the plot moves forward, it is because of a chance encounter. Fake Jedi hustler who knows exactly where Leia is and then happens to have a good heart when called for in the plot to the Octopus nosed freight hauler to the turncoat officer who happens to be a rebel (guess she doesn't have t explain what happened to the dudes she went out on patrol with); Ben never does anything but go where the current scene character directs him

I guess the writers are going to try to say that # Sister is the only one aware of the Organa connection because otherwise nothing makes any sense up to Episode IV. If Vader becomes aware that Leia is the reason Ben came out of hiding, and then just lets her be then this is just totally fricking stupid
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40857 posts
Posted on 6/3/22 at 12:03 am to
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Now, targeting Organa's kid to draw him out... that's a little iffy, but nothing too far gone for Star Wars. We know Organa showed up at the Temple that night, I THINK there's some known connection between Organa and the Jedi. Trying to remember exactly what, I think it was more his friendship to Padme more than anything. I'd have to dig through some material to find something more. But anyway, we know he's powerful and influencial, one of the few able to speak against Palpatine publically at all. If nothing else, Vader would suspect there is some connection, and this would test that theory.
It's going to be interesting to see how Organa survives this, going forward. Probably will have a halfway believable excuse why it was Kenobi who rescued his daughter, maybe he floated a ransom bounty and that's who answered.



Was reading this thread from the beginning and was going to post about this. I'm not a Star Wars lore geek but I've seen basically everything. I'm very curious after these 3 episodes why Leia is even alive come original trilogy.

At this point Vader would know that kidnapping her drew out Kenobi and likely was contacted by Organa, and yet no follow up investigation into her between whatever happens now and the OT to figure out why a Jedi hiding that long came out for this?

I would think and hope that will be explained.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 6/3/22 at 12:25 am to
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Also, he has to ask himself..what do you have to do to off somebody??


Well he could have put Anakin out of his misery instead of leaving him there to die of massive burn wounds.
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